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View Poll Results: On what day will city council vote to finalize a new arena for Edmonton's downtown?
Between now and Christmas 2012 8 7.41%
Between New Year's Day and the end of February 2013 30 27.78%
Between March and July, 2013 16 14.81%
Before the October 2013 civic election 14 12.96%
Not until 2014 4 3.70%
Not until 2015 3 2.78%
Not until 2016 1 0.93%
Not until 2017 6 5.56%
Never 26 24.07%
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01-23-2013, 11:16 AM
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Katz not attending the meeting as per David Staples. Bono is too important to show up for a $450 million dollar deal.

Tell me again how he loves Edmonton?

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01-23-2013, 11:17 AM
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This is what they will be voting on today.

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01-23-2013, 11:18 AM
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If you have access to Shaw Cable 10, the city hall session is on live.

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01-23-2013, 11:19 AM
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Katz not attending the meeting as per David Staples. Bono is too important to show up for a $450 million dollar deal.

Tell me again how he loves Edmonton?
Too cold for weird fashion leather jackets in Edmonton today.

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Pictures of all of the arena options.

http://photos.edmonton.ca/CityGovern...5159&k=R4RG6pp
Love the design every single time I see it. Lets get the shovels in the ground already!

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Looks like they took it down. Guess someone released it too early.

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Just one thing that keeps sticking out in my head is the fact that there is a $100 million gap that everyone says the province will fill. Except the province.
The province has said repeatedly that they will not directly fund an arena. The important word is directly.

The province gives infrastruture money to the cities and the cities are able to spend it how they choose. Most people seem to agree that this is how the short coming will be bridged. The city can say they didn't put in extra money, since the money came from the province. And the province can say that they didn't directly fund the arena, as it was the cities choice on how to spend the infrastructure funding.

That's the way I have heard it will happen anyhow. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong please.

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01-23-2013, 11:23 AM
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Man, I find this speech pretty dry. The players are probably falling asleep in their chairs.

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01-23-2013, 11:26 AM
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@dantencer: Arena, Winter Garden, Pedestrian Corridor, LRT Connection, Community Rink + Land Purchases = $601M. Total city contribution is $219M.
@dantencer: Katz Group contribution (including ticket tax) is $278M. "Other government" responsible for $114M ($14M specifically for community rink).
@dantencer: The deal still very clearly includes a $100M contribution from Province which has yet to be secured. Need promise of $$$ by August.
@dantencer: Daryl Katz has signed off on this deal. City Administration says it's a green light for them. Council will vote on this after debating it.

Council will very likely pass this. But is seems like we still need $100 million from the province

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I haven't been following this story very closely, however I do remember some discussions about cost cutting ideas for the arena. Things like changing the outside surface from zinc to tin. Did those things happen, or is this still the original arena proposal?

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Pictures of all of the arena options.

http://photos.edmonton.ca/CityGovern...5159&k=R4RG6pp
Man, the arena looks ridiculously plain without the Wintergarden. Having it would definitely make it better.

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01-23-2013, 11:38 AM
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Man, the arena looks ridiculously plain without the Wintergarden. Having it would definitely make it better.
I'm not an Alberta resident, but judging by how the Riders/Regina have a deal with the province in Saskatchewan, would it be unrealistic for the province to loan the Oiler/City the $100M with a payment plan (surcharges on certain things) to pay it back? That's what we're doing here with the new stadium in Regina.

Or I wonder if axing the winter garden would help minimize costs.

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01-23-2013, 11:54 AM
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Option B looks quite plain, and Option C looks extremely plain. Option A is really the only one that has a wow factor.

Theyíre also projecting breaking ground in August this year and occupancy by 2016...Hopefully thatís early 2016 because a 3 year construction schedule seems extremely long. Even with the other surrounding items they have planned.

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01-23-2013, 11:59 AM
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Option C looks better than B, imo.

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Option B looks quite plain, and Option C looks extremely plain. Option A is really the only one that has a wow factor.
C certainly doesn't look plain. It's still very distinctive looking.

The whole winter garden / flowing over 104th looks very interesting in drawings, but on the ground it's just going to turn that whole block of 104th into a damp, dark cave where no light ever enters. I don't think that's going to help convince foot traffic to come to that area.

And they *still* haven't solved that $100 mil shortfall. Sigh.

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01-23-2013, 12:08 PM
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C certainly doesn't look plain. It's still very distinctive looking.

The whole winter garden / flowing over 104th looks very interesting in drawings, but on the ground it's just going to turn that whole block of 104th into a damp, dark cave where no light ever enters. I don't think that's going to help convince foot traffic to come to that area.

And they *still* haven't solved that $100 mil shortfall. Sigh.
The pedestrian friendly "winter garden" concept works quite well at the legislature grounds.

Your damp, dark, cave comment is more than a little hyperbolic. Even the slowest hobo, pushing the most bottle laden shopping cart, won't spend more than 30 seconds walking under the pedway.

The $100 million shortfall is going to come out of provincial infrastructure money if no specific grant is secured. This could mean less rec centres etc. going up for the next few years or more likely it will mean that the Tories will find a way to flow extra infrastructure funding to the city in the future. At this point Edmonton is pretty key to their fending off the Wildrose Party in the next election.


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The pedestrian friendly "winter garden" concept works quite well at the legislature grounds.

Your damp, dark, cave comment is more than a little hyperbolic. Even the slowest hobo, pushing the most bottle laden shopping cart, won't spend more than 30 seconds walking under the pedway.
I disagree. In fact I suspect that'll make it a perfect winter hideout for the homeless.

And the leg grounds sure feels like a cave to me. Although honestly I never knew what was on top of it.

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I disagree. In fact I suspect that'll make it a perfect winter hideout for the homeless.

And the leg grounds sure feels like a cave to me. Although honestly I never knew what was on top of it.
I am sure the $56 million pedway a block away from the police station won't have too many vagrant problems.

As for the leg grounds: this is what's directly on top of the "cave."



You should get out of your vehicle and walk around some time.

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I disagree. In fact I suspect that'll make it a perfect winter hideout for the homeless.

And the leg grounds sure feels like a cave to me. Although honestly I never knew what was on top of it.
?? I live about 10 minutes away from the Leg grounds, and it's a beautiful place to go for walks - people go there year round. I've played soccer there, watched outdoor concerts, gone swimming in the pool area, and just simply strolled around the grounds.

It is in no way shape or form at all like a cave. How are flowers and manicured grass like a cave? Do you even live in Edmonton, or go to the Leg grounds often?

Unbelievable....you're talking out of your ass here and showing your ignorence.

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C certainly doesn't look plain. It's still very distinctive looking.

The whole winter garden / flowing over 104th looks very interesting in drawings, but on the ground it's just going to turn that whole block of 104th into a damp, dark cave where no light ever enters. I don't think that's going to help convince foot traffic to come to that area.

And they *still* haven't solved that $100 mil shortfall. Sigh.
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I disagree. In fact I suspect that'll make it a perfect winter hideout for the homeless.

And the leg grounds sure feels like a cave to me. Although honestly I never knew what was on top of it.
These are some of the most ridiculous comments I've seen. Itís a dark cave that no one wants to enter?

A long time ago a man named Thomas Edison invented the light bulb. Today it is used to light dark areas. And in todays modern era there are some pretty fancy ones.

Itís a pedestrian bridge. Calgary has one on every single block. Its also a 600 million dollar project. You donít think they will have security patrolling the area?

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Bahahaha, mandel burns the players, tells them if they let in 6 goals in the 1st period again they will have to sit through another session like the one they are in.

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Hahaha, mandel is a funny guy, can lighten up the room a bit.

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i actually like option C the best, as it looks like the option that will still look good in 20 years... the other 2 look like something that will have a wow-factor right now, but will look dated really quickly

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01-23-2013, 12:41 PM
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So would this put us ahead of where we were before Katz asked for more money?

I don't like that there's still 100 million dollars missing.

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