Edmonton did it.
And their GM doesn't make as much money as ours...
Or spend as much on scouting, or as much on their front office.
Why do you even need a scouting staff if you're continually going to pick #1 overall? They could have saved a crap load of money and fired those guys 4 years ago. And even with all their talent, they'll still be bottom feeders when the season starts up again.
Ok.... But its more logical to look at players who have never played an NHL game and draft picks that we never had and assume that these players are destined for greatness?????
Again, this is the point that I am making. The players that toronto has picked have had success.
Dion Phaneuf was rated higher by THN than MALKIN! Kessel was picked by 10 gms over CROSBY in a 2005 poll, Lupul was a superstar when he scored 4 goals in a playoff game... JVR was untouchable when he dominated a playoff series.
Now these players are no longer shiny toys, but are still excellent. Of course people look at draft picks as cant miss superstars that they will love for ever and ever, but my characterization is unrealistic? at least these players have achieved what I said they have, instead of just assuming that some random players would be better..
Again, please go through 2009-2012 first rounds and show me what teams have done better....
That's your opinion and i think i'll dig up your old thread of how great our youth/prospects were during our 29th place finish to illustrate how biased your your opinion is .
But lets be honest for a second shall we . You couldn't give **** about Burke or the team or any prospect we may have because 90% of all your posts are just trying to spin the Kessel trade .
The great thing is you'll get to see what that deal cost us 6 times a year for the next 15 or so years . So if i was you i'd let it go before it burns you up inside and leaves you an empty shell .
Umm Im not sure what thread that was? I have always said I would take proven young stars over question marks.... I always thought Kessel would be a top scorer in the league and I was proven right..... I would argue against people who said he would be a 20/40 guy without savard...... I remember saying that Seguin had a bad year and if he was a leaf player he would have been torn to peices, and I still believe that, he has turned into a 60 pt player now, and good for him..... In fact Seguin is developing similar to Kessel, other than the whole cancer thing... Even if they turn out similar, or IF seguin becomes slightly better.... Im a bird in the hand kind of guy.
Contrary to what you may believe, I am not obsessed with the Kessel trade. I tend to read more than post here, but I do think I spend less time here than you do. Which is fine. i tend to just read people's opinions, but only when I think they are ridiculous do I feel compelled to post. The most common threads that show a complete and utter disregard for logic are the Kessel trade, and the burke bashing that is solely based on how the team would be sooo much better if he just blew it up and tanked. I believe that it is ridiculous that people assume that the season would turn out the same one, and I also think it is ridiculous here in general that prospects are automatically superstars without flaws, injuries, defensive gaps and alway go up up up. You can never please these people because Kessel has to compete with an imaginary trajectory or future that may not exist, and when the real does not live up to the hype kessel is already gone so who cares.....
I dont have a problem with specific comments on Burkes moves ie: I think it was a mistake to resign liles and I would have traded Mac for that first he promised last year, just because of the wing depth and kadri needing a shot..... When people post on these views i tend not to comment as much because at least they show logic.
But I do think its funny that you believe I am obsessed with the Kessel trade... Werent you the one who specifically joined in Nov 2009 to rant about Burke trading picks??? I guess the difference between us is you are pissed about the trade where I get infuriated by the whining and terrible logic that still haunts the board 3 years and a top 6 scorer later....
They focused more on the 1st. overall forwards, so they built differently, but how does that make the Leafs focus on defense correct?
It's not about which areas the team chooses to improve first. It's about going against what sports and any sort of competition should be about (ie: trying your hardest to win). Too bad there isn't a lower league where teams could be relegated to, instead of getting rewarded for sucking.
Leafs' building from net out approach most likely would have been fine if it wasn't for Rotten Ronnie's run & gun.
But they're going to actually WIN in the near future.
Yeah, just as soon as they start getting some D, goaltending, grit, offensive depth beyond the first line (even with our MIA secondary scoring, we still outscored them last season), and of course some veteran leadership. Should be any day now... just make sure you don't hold your breath waiting for it.
I was not the individual who tried to slant the Kessel deal with other names....yet I'm the one you replied to.
I simply point out that the other players not involved in the Kessel trade can not be used to tip the balance to justify the trade.
You go ahead and defend that!
1.) The kessel deal was for 2 picks that were 82 and 164 games and numerous deals later. You have no idea how the leafs would have ended up (ie sign cammy and win 2 games now you are 4th and pick nino or something). The lottery might have been different etc. We see this every year. In 2006 the baby leafs and aubin went on a miracle run. Devereaux scores a hattrick and bumps toronto from 5th to 7th....
You dont know how it would have went. Really kessel is the only known player in the deal. The leafs could have ended up with Schiefle and Nino.....
But... More importantly
Here is the problem. Trades dont exist in a vaccum. And You cannot judge burke entirely based on the one trade as they all affect each other. ie If burke is tanking, and he talks to his old friend beauch.... do you think he says, come to toronto, we are going to suck for a few years.... More likely he sold francois on his quick fix pitch, using him as a horse on D Just like he did in anaheim. Without burke we dont get beauch. More importantly his relationship was to sell beauch back to his team for lupul and Gardiner, who let him go for free?
Secondly, If you are tanking, and you are in second last, everything is going as planned. Now you don't try to change the chemistry... Now you dont get Dion.
Third: Kaberle according to all media was worth a 2nd rounder, Burke gets Colborne, 1st and liles for him......
you can argue the logic all you want and thats fine. This isnt about Kessel. This is about burkes overall tenure and should he stay. In my mind if you want to talk about his overall tenure, you have to talk about his overall tenure...... All of the youth he has gathered is a part of that and in my mind, vastly out weighs what he gave up....