Firstly, I explained the strong ties the Maple Leafs have to the military but it was for some reason deleted?
Secondly, it is purposefully in advance because people spend far too little time thinking about these things. If people here spent a fraction of the time both thinking about and doing something about things that actually matter in life rather than whining incessantly about millionaires chasing rubber disks around on ice, the world might be a better place.
Thirdly, I wish people would get it through their heads that our troops do a lot more than wage war. In fact, our troops spend a large amount of time standing between other people who are waging war (not to mention the many things they do that have nothing to do with war).
how the HELL do you know how much time I, or anyone other than yourself, spends "both thinking about and doing something about things that actually matter in life rather than whining incessantly about millionaires chasing rubber disks around on ice, the world might be a better place."
My Grandpa was laid to rest on August 22nd of this year. He was 94 years old and fought in World War II. I will always respect people like my Grandpa for the sacrifices he made to make this world a better place. While I may not support the notion of war itself, I will always support the troops and never forget. Keep my Grandpa's legacy alive. Buy a poppy. Take your moment of silence. Do your part to remember those who fought for the freedoms you enjoy today.
Well said.
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Originally Posted by colchar
And, sadly, each year there are fewer and fewer veterans left with us. Can you just imagine what it will be like when we no longer have them around to provide us with first-hand accounts of their experiences?
I'm aging quickly too but I consider myself to be very lucky to have had so many friends and family, that related to me some of their exploits and they are pretty incredible, some of my friends were Americans and one very good American friend was on the Big E at Okinawa when the Carrier was attacked by the Kamikaze, he was a cook but when the ship was set afire he became one of the fire crew, that fought the fires and the Kamikaze were still diving and crashing on the stricken ship.... Here's one for you Pete
Another one of my friends was with the Canadian first Airborne (1st parachute battalion) and they jumped behind the juno beaches on D Day, they were to prevent the Germans from re-enforcing the Beaches by blowing up bridges and basically stopping any traffic headed down the roads that way but with bad intel, they didn't know Hitler had 2 Panzer divisions in reserve at Caen, luckily Hitler decided to send only 1 Panzer division down that road, but remember this is a parachute regiment and they really didn't have the weapons to fight Tanks but they stopped them anyway however they went in with an entire regiment but only 100 got out, the rest were casualties dead and wounded, my friend was wounded but recovered and fought with the ground forces right into Germany....Here's one for you Roy
Having told you some of the exploits of just two of my friends, one other who was not a soldier, also has a story to be told, he was Jewish and was sent to Auschwitz from the Warsaw Ghetto in Poland, he was starved, beaten and tatooed with numbers down his forearm and he also faced death 3 times, when the S.S. camp guards had them line up and one guard went down behind them shooting every second, third, or fourth man at their whim but he made it and came to Canada to tell his incredible story....Here's one for you Eddy
These people will tell you they weren't Heroes and most of these stories were told only after I dragged it out of them after having a few brews, they didn't want to talk about what happened because it brought back painfull memories of the horrors they saw and their fallen comrades but it needs to be told.....Here's to all my friends that seved in the Armed Forces and to all the ones I didn't know and the ones still seving....
One more last story needs to be told, another of my good friends, this one of Japanese descent, he was born in Canada and his family went back 8 generations in Canada, he lived on the West Coast in British Columbia where he and his brothers and other members of his family were fishermen but when the war broke out in the Pacific, fear gripped the people in Ottawa and they deemed for whatever reason, that he and his family and most of the people of Japanese descent, posed a threat to Canada and only because they were on the West coast and Japanese, many of whom had settled there after having worked at other things, like building the Railway accross Canada but he was put into a concentration camp type facility in Saskatchewan and their houses and boats confiscated and after the war he was not allowd to return to the west coast, I met him and spent a lot of time fishing here in Ontario with him, he didn't drink but we did talk about this part of his life and when Ottawa handed out reparations to those Japanese that had been sent to the camps, he would not accept it and said I'm a Canadian of Japanese descent.... Here's one for you Roy (not to be confused with the other Roy)
I'm proud to have known all these people and they will be on my mind and remembered by me, when I stand and bow my head for 2 minutes of Silence, this Remembrance Day.
I'm aging quickly too but I consider myself to be very lucky to have had so many friends and family, that related to me some of their exploits and they are pretty incredible, some of my friends were Americans and one very good American friend was on the Big E at Okinawa when the Carrier was attacked by the Kamikaze, he was a cook but when the ship was set afire he became one of the fire crew, that fought the fires and the Kamikaze were still diving and crashing on the stricken ship.... Here's one for you Pete
Another one of my friends was with the Canadian first Airborne (1st parachute battalion) and they jumped behind the juno beaches on D Day, they were to prevent the Germans from re-enforcing the Beaches by blowing up bridges and basically stopping any traffic headed down the roads that way but with bad intel, they didn't know Hitler had 2 Panzer divisions in reserve at Caen, luckily Hitler decided to send only 1 Panzer division down that road, but remember this is a parachute regiment and they really didn't have the weapons to fight Tanks but they stopped them anyway however they went in with an entire regiment but only 100 got out, the rest were casualties dead and wounded, my friend was wounded but recovered and fought with the ground forces right into Germany....Here's one for you Roy
Having told you some of the exploits of just two of my friends, one other who was not a soldier, also has a story to be told, he was Jewish and was sent to Auschwitz from the Warsaw Ghetto in Poland, he was starved, beaten and tatooed with numbers down his forearm and he also faced death 3 times, when the S.S. camp guards had them line up and one guard went down behind them shooting every second, third, or fourth man at their whim but he made it and came to Canada to tell his incredible story....Here's one for you Eddy
These people will tell you they weren't Heroes and most of these stories were told only after I dragged it out of them after having a few brews, they didn't want to talk about what happened because it brought back painfull memories of the horrors they saw and their fallen comrades but it needs to be told.....Here's to all my friends that seved in the Armed Forces and to all the ones I didn't know and the ones still seving....
One more last story needs to be told, another of my good friends, this one of Japanese descent, he was born in Canada and his family went back 8 generations in Canada, he lived on the West Coast in British Columbia where he and his brothers and other members of his family were fishermen but when the war broke out in the Pacific, fear gripped the people in Ottawa and they deemed for whatever reason, that he and his family and most of the people of Japanese descent, posed a threat to Canada and only because they were on the West coast and Japanese, many of whom had settled there after having worked at other things, like building the Railway accross Canada but he was put into a concentration camp type facility in Saskatchewan and their houses and boats confiscated and after the war he was not allowd to return to the west coast, I met him and spent a lot of time fishing here in Ontario with him, he didn't drink but we did talk about this part of his life and when Ottawa handed out reparations to those Japanese that had been sent to the camps, he would not accept it and said I'm a Canadian of Japanese descent.... Here's one for you Roy (not to be confused with the other Roy)
I'm proud to have known all these people and they will be on my mind and remembered by me, when I stand and bow my head for 2 minutes of Silence, this Remembrance Day.
I'm a sucker for those SPCA commercials. Even worse than the starving kids in Africa.
Speaking of the poor kids of Africa, it bugs me that the people in the commercials are millionaires and talk abouit how cheap it is to support a child and then only have 1 or 2 that they support.
Buy the village some goats or a cow or dig a well. You're rich!
Now I don't have a lot. But I know other have far less. I try to give a little but I should give more.
Percentage wise I only donate 2-3% of my income. BUt if everyone did that I think the world would be a lot further ahead.
It doesn't take much to help, that's for sure. Heck sometimes just taking the time to talk to someone and make them feel human goes a long ways.
how the HELL do you know how much time I, or anyone other than yourself, spends "both thinking about and doing something about things that actually matter in life rather than whining incessantly about millionaires chasing rubber disks around on ice, the world might be a better place."
get off your high horse son
I spend a lot of time in the volunteer world and I can assure you there's a dire shortage. If you don't like it, lump it. If you're doing your part, the comments obviously don't apply to you, do they? If you're looking for someone to soothe your feelings, I'm not the guy.
touching post Budsfan, I'm glad to have read it . I sometimes see vets selling poppies and look at them with much respect but don't think much about all the personal stories they have to tell. I will have this in mind next time, thanks for sharing.
So, well here is the stats. Even though Canada and the Canadian government never officially declared war against iraq when the invasion happened in 2001, we had spent more than 300million to help support the war.
Since the war started, 158 Canadians have been killed in this war, that you say we are not fighting. 6 were killed by Friendly Fire as well. Now compared to other deaths this isnt alot, but that is 158 Canadian families with no son/father/mother/brother/sister coming home. As well as the fact that 3 of our troops, have committed suicide, while fighting , ahain in a war you state we are not involved in. Just because the government never officially states we are in a war, anything the Americans do, more than likely we are right beside them.
Most wars we join as the Peacemakers. Also in 2011, DND released the number of wounded soldiers sitting at 1,859 and 1,214 of them were wounded outside of action.
When the invasion happened, the Canadian forces sent their first element of soldiers, secretly of course. Only this year did Harper in the Nato Summit, say that we will stop fighting, while some soldiers will stay in Afghanistan till 2014 to help train their army.
Allied countries have exchange officer programs. All of the Canadians deployed to Iraq were exchange officers and furthermore, exchange officers hold higher positions in command which means that their duties aren't to engage in combat, their duties lie in training and education of soldiers.
Where are you getting your information from? I suspect the site that you found that 158 casualty but I would prefer if you posted the link yourself. I have yet to read anything about Canadian SOLDIERS being deployed. Perhaps you should share the source of your 'facts'.
Allied countries have exchange officer programs. All of the Canadians deployed to Iraq were exchange officers and furthermore, exchange officers hold higher positions in command which means that their duties aren't to engage in combat, their duties lie in training and education of soldiers.
Where are you getting your information from? I suspect the site that you found that 158 casualty but I would prefer if you posted the link yourself. I have yet to read anything about Canadian SOLDIERS being deployed. Perhaps you should share the source of your 'facts'.
Indeed, that's another big role our forces play in war zones is teaching other country's military and police forces so they can maintain order on their own. It really does surprise me how much people assume our soldiers are running around executing innocent bystanders. A very large percentage of what they do is helping others.
Allied countries have exchange officer programs. All of the Canadians deployed to Iraq were exchange officers and furthermore, exchange officers hold higher positions in command which means that their duties aren't to engage in combat, their duties lie in training and education of soldiers.
Where are you getting your information from? I suspect the site that you found that 158 casualty but I would prefer if you posted the link yourself. I have yet to read anything about Canadian SOLDIERS being deployed. Perhaps you should share the source of your 'facts'.
He is confusing Iraq and Afghanistan. He seems to think they are the same place or the same conflict rather than two different places and two different conflicts.
He is confusing Iraq and Afghanistan. He seems to think they are the same place or the same conflict rather than two different places and two different conflicts.
That's what I'm thinking. The amount of casualties and specifically mentioning the suicides and friendly fires...it's all too identical to the Afghanistan numbers.
If you google 'how many Canadians died in iraq", you get this link:
I suspect that this is source he was using but the funny part is that if you actually sroll all the way across the screen to far right, you'll see that place of death is all listed as Afghanistan. Even if that isn't his source, it must be something similar where he has overlooked that his stats refer to the Afghanistan war and peacekeeping mission.
That's what I'm thinking. The amount of casualties and specifically mentioning the suicides and friendly fires...it's all too identical to the Afghanistan numbers.
If you google 'how many Canadians died in iraq", you get this link:
I suspect that this is source he was using but the funny part is that if you actually sroll all the way across the screen to far right, you'll see that place of death is all listed as Afghanistan. Even if that isn't his source, it must be something similar where he has overlooked that his stats refer to the Afghanistan war and peacekeeping mission.
Yeah I think you are correct.
I also notice that he has gone to ground and seems to be avoiding this thread now.
i aint avoiding ****, i spend my days at work and drinking and talking to you really doesnt hold any importance in my life, niether does this thread
Right, more like you don't have a leg to stand on.
You took the time to look at the thread and to post this response so why don't you take a minute out of your day to address all the points on which we have called you out for being wrong?
Maybe if you spent less time drinking and a little time educating yourself you wouldn't make such blatantly incorrect assertions as the ones you made in this thread.
I spend a lot of time in the volunteer world and I can assure you there's a dire shortage. If you don't like it, lump it. If you're doing your part, the comments obviously don't apply to you, do they? If you're looking for someone to soothe your feelings, I'm not the guy.
I don't want you to soothe anything. just letting you know you have a holier than thou attitude.
the people who do their part and beyond don't go around talking about how much they do, because those who talk about it are only looking for a pat on the back. don't hurt your arm trying to reach back there.
I'm aging quickly too but I consider myself to be very lucky to have had so many friends and family, that related to me some of their exploits and they are pretty incredible, some of my friends were Americans and one very good American friend was on the Big E at Okinawa when the Carrier was attacked by the Kamikaze, he was a cook but when the ship was set afire he became one of the fire crew, that fought the fires and the Kamikaze were still diving and crashing on the stricken ship.... Here's one for you Pete
Another one of my friends was with the Canadian first Airborne (1st parachute battalion) and they jumped behind the juno beaches on D Day, they were to prevent the Germans from re-enforcing the Beaches by blowing up bridges and basically stopping any traffic headed down the roads that way but with bad intel, they didn't know Hitler had 2 Panzer divisions in reserve at Caen, luckily Hitler decided to send only 1 Panzer division down that road, but remember this is a parachute regiment and they really didn't have the weapons to fight Tanks but they stopped them anyway however they went in with an entire regiment but only 100 got out, the rest were casualties dead and wounded, my friend was wounded but recovered and fought with the ground forces right into Germany....Here's one for you Roy
Having told you some of the exploits of just two of my friends, one other who was not a soldier, also has a story to be told, he was Jewish and was sent to Auschwitz from the Warsaw Ghetto in Poland, he was starved, beaten and tatooed with numbers down his forearm and he also faced death 3 times, when the S.S. camp guards had them line up and one guard went down behind them shooting every second, third, or fourth man at their whim but he made it and came to Canada to tell his incredible story....Here's one for you Eddy
These people will tell you they weren't Heroes and most of these stories were told only after I dragged it out of them after having a few brews, they didn't want to talk about what happened because it brought back painfull memories of the horrors they saw and their fallen comrades but it needs to be told.....Here's to all my friends that seved in the Armed Forces and to all the ones I didn't know and the ones still seving....
One more last story needs to be told, another of my good friends, this one of Japanese descent, he was born in Canada and his family went back 8 generations in Canada, he lived on the West Coast in British Columbia where he and his brothers and other members of his family were fishermen but when the war broke out in the Pacific, fear gripped the people in Ottawa and they deemed for whatever reason, that he and his family and most of the people of Japanese descent, posed a threat to Canada and only because they were on the West coast and Japanese, many of whom had settled there after having worked at other things, like building the Railway accross Canada but he was put into a concentration camp type facility in Saskatchewan and their houses and boats confiscated and after the war he was not allowd to return to the west coast, I met him and spent a lot of time fishing here in Ontario with him, he didn't drink but we did talk about this part of his life and when Ottawa handed out reparations to those Japanese that had been sent to the camps, he would not accept it and said I'm a Canadian of Japanese descent.... Here's one for you Roy (not to be confused with the other Roy)
I'm proud to have known all these people and they will be on my mind and remembered by me, when I stand and bow my head for 2 minutes of Silence, this Remembrance Day.
I don't want you to soothe anything. just letting you know you have a holier than thou attitude.
the people who do their part and beyond don't go around talking about how much they do, because those who talk about it are only looking for a pat on the back. don't hurt your arm trying to reach back there.
Again, if you don't like it, lump it. I'm not here to be your friend nor am I here to coddle you. If you're doing your bit, more power to you. If you're not, get off your posterior. Your choice whether you choose to, my choice whether I choose to prompt you to. Your choice whether you want to listen, my choice whether I choose to speak. Hey guess what? On November 11 you can thank a soldier for that choice!
Again, if you don't like it, lump it. I'm not here to be your friend nor am I here to coddle you. If you're doing your bit, more power to you. If you're not, get off your posterior. Your choice whether you choose to, my choice whether I choose to prompt you to. Your choice whether you want to listen, my choice whether I choose to speak. Hey guess what? On November 11 you can thank a soldier for that choice!
I got your point just fine and I'm telling you quite clearly I could give a rat's posterior what you or anyone else thinks of my personality. Express it all you want, don't expect me to care. There's a fancy little thing called the "ignore" function if it bothers you. A freedom brought to you by the good folks at HF Boards.
