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Who here would like to see the NHL completely dissolve?

View Poll Results: Would you like to see the NHL crumble and see a new league created?
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12-07-2012, 04:45 PM
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One side will eventually cave and swallow a deal they aren't happy with.
Leading to strike/lockout 2018.

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12-07-2012, 04:51 PM
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People said the same thing in 2004-05, that the NHL was dead, and the NHL came back stronger and better than ever.

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12-07-2012, 04:59 PM
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Would be an interesting way for the players to flip the bird to the owners. Even the teams that are losing money still have a lot of value in their franchise on the order of $100m up to $1b. So the league ceasing to exist would pretty much wipe out nearly all of that value and would pale in comparison to a little more "make whole" money or agreeing to 8 year max contracts.

I imagine it must be a pretty far-fetched possibility since the owners don't appear to be afraid of it.

I don't imagine there's anything the current owners could do to prevent the players they locked out from joining or even creating a new league though.

Imagine a few of the highest paid stars each teaming up to be player/owners to start their own team for a 10-20 team league. I wonder if they would be able to pay their players enough entice them instead of opting to play overseas.

Totally out there, but still it's nice to dream of a way for the players to really stick it to the owners, and completely decimating the billions of dollars the teams have built up in their franchise values would be the ultimate way to do so.

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12-07-2012, 05:03 PM
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I sure hope so.

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12-07-2012, 05:05 PM
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Nice Try. Barclays has 20 teams. The NHL thirty. All Barclays teams are making money. Having 10 more teams(all of which lose money) is a deal breaker.
I was speaking to the claim that the EPL was the most successful sports league in the world. Not claiming the NHL is, but the EPL economics are closer to the NHL than, say a really successful sports league like the NFL.

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The Premier League's 20 clubs collectively made a loss of £361m last year, after spending all of their record £2.3bn income. Of the clubs which were in the Premier League in 2010‑11, the year of most clubs' latest published accounts, eight made a profit, of £97.4m in total.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...010-11-profits

8/20 making a profit? That's worse than the NHL...

And the Championship (which would bring the combined total up to 40 teams) is a Coyotean money pit of the first order:

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Revenue in the Football League Championship increased by £17m (4%) to £423m, prompted by an increase in the solidarity payments from the Premier League and the promotion of some larger clubs into the division.

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Whilst Championship revenues have held up well, a wages/revenue ratio of 90%, combined operating losses of £130m and record pre-tax losses of £189m, are a cause for concern. It is therefore encouraging that in April 2012 Championship clubs agreed to the implementation of new financial fair play regulations that aim to help clubs reduce the level of annual losses.
http://www.deloitte.com/view/en_GB/u...56f00aRCRD.htm

Yes, when you're losing £130 million on £423 million in revenues, you'd better be aiming to reduce the losses!

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12-07-2012, 05:15 PM
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People said the same thing in 2004-05, that the NHL was dead, and the NHL came back stronger and better than ever.
The world has changed.

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12-07-2012, 05:16 PM
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I was speaking to the claim that the EPL was the most successful sports league in the world. Not claiming the NHL is, but the EPL economics are closer to the NHL than, say a really successful sports league like the NFL.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...010-11-profits

8/20 making a profit? That's worse than the NHL...

And the Championship (which would bring the combined total up to 40 teams) is a Coyotean money pit of the first order:



http://www.deloitte.com/view/en_GB/u...56f00aRCRD.htm

Yes, when you're losing £130 million on £423 million in revenues, you'd better be aiming to reduce the losses!
Mea Culpa. I was wrong.

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12-07-2012, 05:32 PM
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I'd happily watch the NHL fold, and all its players go get real jobs.

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12-07-2012, 05:55 PM
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I'd happily watch the NHL fold, and all its players go get real jobs.
Funny, I was suggesting that 4 to 6 months ago We already saw that with the World Hockey Association... Would be fun to see NHL trying to get back their teams or what about Kontinentalnaļa Hokkeļnaļa Liga (KHL) expending in America Would NHL deserve that?

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12-07-2012, 06:03 PM
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Would be an interesting way for the players to flip the bird to the owners. Even the teams that are losing money still have a lot of value in their franchise on the order of $100m up to $1b. So the league ceasing to exist would pretty much wipe out nearly all of that value and would pale in comparison to a little more "make whole" money or agreeing to 8 year max contracts.

I imagine it must be a pretty far-fetched possibility since the owners don't appear to be afraid of it.

I don't imagine there's anything the current owners could do to prevent the players they locked out from joining or even creating a new league though.

Imagine a few of the highest paid stars each teaming up to be player/owners to start their own team for a 10-20 team league. I wonder if they would be able to pay their players enough entice them instead of opting to play overseas.

Totally out there, but still it's nice to dream of a way for the players to really stick it to the owners, and completely decimating the billions of dollars the teams have built up in their franchise values would be the ultimate way to do so.
The bird flipped would be directly at themselves. All those 3rd and 4th liners that belong in minor professional leagues will have trouble even finding a job in another league, since there is already younger and comparable talent playing in it, and if they did get the job, they'd see a pay cut from a couple million down to what a store manager at a fast food joint makes. A handful of players would end up making more in the KHL, but most of them will see a big pay reduction.

I'm all for it.

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12-07-2012, 06:52 PM
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....and I feel fine.

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12-09-2012, 09:35 PM
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Want this to happen more than ever now.

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12-09-2012, 10:32 PM
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I just want hockey. Is that too much to ask for?

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Apparently it is.

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12-09-2012, 10:40 PM
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......Why would anyone want to see the NHL dissolve?

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12-09-2012, 10:45 PM
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......Why would anyone want to see the NHL dissolve?
It already is. Nothing lasts forever.

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12-09-2012, 10:49 PM
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It already is. Nothing lasts forever.
The current CBA negotiations are not going to cause the NHL to dissolve.

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12-09-2012, 10:57 PM
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The current CBA negotiations are not going to cause the NHL to dissolve.
So you think the season will still happen and their will be a 2013-14 season??? Nope. NHL is done. These people are immature on both sides.

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12-09-2012, 11:04 PM
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So you think the season will still happen and their will be a 2013-14 season??? Nope. NHL is done. These people are immature on both sides.
Come on.

The main holdup of negotiations right now is whether the CBA will be 8 or 10 years, 5% variance and term length of contracts.

You seriously think that we are going to lose a season based those terms?

The NHL and the NHLPA are just trying to squeeze each other for the last bit of concession. I wouldn't be surprised to see a deal done next time the two sides meet.

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12-10-2012, 12:46 AM
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You could just watch the AHL?

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12-10-2012, 06:54 AM
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The current CBA negotiations are not going to cause the NHL to dissolve.
It's the lack of negotiation that will dissolve the league.

NHL is nothing to me - some memories - that's it. What do they bring to the table anyway? lately nothing but trouble - expansion into areas that do no want or even care about hockey. Owners and commissioner that have no clue about hockey. All the league supplies are increasingly retarded rules, and incompetent officials.

The decent players - most of them - will end up playing for the teams that come out of the ashes of the NHL. The old nhl might try to hang on, but it will not be taken seriously. Scabs and wash outs there - a lesser league than the AHL.

**** you NHL!

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12-10-2012, 07:40 AM
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It boggles the mind that this thread is still a thing. The NHL owners are going to give up billions of dollars in franchise valuation over the differences that currently exist in the NHL and NHLPA proposals?

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The NHL. will never dessolve but it will be turned on its ear if the NHL. loses another season do to a work stopage with some major changes over the length of time of the new CBA. . Amung thoses changes I think would be firring Gary Bettman & Bill Daliy along with some relocations or even some contractions of some of the leagues weaker teams that are holdding the league down .

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12-10-2012, 02:03 PM
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People are absolutely fooling themselves if they think a new league would not have the same problems as the current ones.
This. The NHL has evolved over many years into what it is today. You may be against some things in the NHL, but overall I don't think a new league would be much different in the long run.

Many people are against the southern expansion. For everything wrong with it, at least it offers a higher exposure to hockey. In some markets, like Nashville, hockey actually stuck. It was a worthwhile experiment if you ask me.

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12-10-2012, 03:12 PM
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The southern expansion is a fight with the fans of big market teams paying big prices to have the privilege of seeing the fruits of their labour go to paying the contracts of players who play against their home team. There is a reasonable point that those who pay more should see their money spent on their own team

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