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12-19-2012, 10:36 AM
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Here's some rational discussion of all the legal stuff from someone qualified to talk about it. Somewhat interesting if you enjoy this stuff.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...512470/?page=1
Thanks for this. It's a good read.

Although I will take issue with the professor asserting these are two rational parties involved in this dispute.

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12-19-2012, 10:46 AM
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Thanks for this. It's a good read.

Although I will take issue with the professor asserting these are two rational parties involved in this dispute.
Agreed. I had a similar thought.

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12-19-2012, 04:23 PM
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At 12 noon on the day of a court ruling on this case, the court comes out and says "the union has decertified properly, all players in the NHL are free agents, and no further collective bargaining can be pursued (i.e., no cap)."

At 12:01, Terry Pegula tweets the following, written on a napkin:

"Kovalchuk ($14M) - Crosby ($20M) - Giroux ($10M)
Ovechkin ($15M) - Malkin ($17M) - Gaborik ($13M)
Sedin ($15M) - Sedin ($15M) - Eberle ($8M)
Eriksson ($8M) - Stamkos ($15M) - Sharp ($8M)

Chara ($14M) - Weber ($14M)
Karlsson ($8M) - Suter ($11M)
McDonagh ($8M) - Keith ($8M)

Quick ($13M)
Lundqvist ($13M)

Total: $247M

Come on boys let's do this"


History is never the same.


Except that I seriously believe he would do this. He could offer everyone on this team a ten year contract, and probably only blow about $2B. Out of his $4B net worth. You know he would do it.
I can't help myself...

D.Brown(8.0)-Stamkos(20.0)-Giroux(20.0)
Hartnell(8.0)-Tavares(20.0)-Callahan(8.0)
P.Sharp(8.0)-Bergeron(8.0)-Couturier(8.0)
S.Thornton(4.0)-Ott(4.0)-Downie(4.0)
= 120

Petriangelo(15.0)-Weber(20.0)
Seabrook(15.0)-Karlsson(20.0)
McDonaugh(10.0)-Myers(10.0)
= 90

Enroth (3.0)
Lehner (2.0)
(Because it doesn't matter )

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12-19-2012, 08:24 PM
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At 12 noon on the day of a court ruling on this case, the court comes out and says "the union has decertified properly, all players in the NHL are free agents, and no further collective bargaining can be pursued (i.e., no cap)."

At 12:01, Terry Pegula tweets the following, written on a napkin:

"Kovalchuk ($14M) - Crosby ($20M) - Giroux ($10M)
Ovechkin ($15M) - Malkin ($17M) - Gaborik ($13M)
Sedin ($15M) - Sedin ($15M) - Eberle ($8M)
Eriksson ($8M) - Stamkos ($15M) - Sharp ($8M)

Chara ($14M) - Weber ($14M)
Karlsson ($8M) - Suter ($11M)
McDonagh ($8M) - Keith ($8M)

Quick ($13M)
Lundqvist ($13M)

Total: $247M

Come on boys let's do this"


History is never the same.


Except that I seriously believe he would do this.
He could offer everyone on this team a ten year contract, and probably only blow about $2B. Out of his $4B net worth. You know he would do it.
No sane business person (and as much he loves hockey, Pegula is a business man) would willingly lose 150 million bucks a year. As much as he likes saying he could just drill an oil well, it's not that easy. If it was that easy to create another 150 million a year in revenue by drilling, he'd be worth more than Bill Gates by now.

Being 150 million in the red year after year suddenly turns your billions into millions and eats all your kids' inheritance (whether you think they deserve it or not).

Sure, it's fun to speculate about what a complete UFA free-for-all would look like, but to think Pegula would be handing out 10-year 200 million dollar contracts like candy is nuts. Pegula might be a super fan, but he didn't accumulate 4 billion by being reckless.

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12-20-2012, 03:04 PM
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Per Dreger on twitter

NHL cancels games up to Jan 14th.

Sigh

I have little hope this gets worked out to save a season. Frankly if they do, I would have a hard time getting into it.

But I really hope they fix this for those getting hurt by the lockout. Three of the fathers of the girls I coach work for the Sabres in various capacities on game days. They are taking a hit financially and they are understandably frustrated.

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12-20-2012, 05:02 PM
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No sane business person (and as much he loves hockey, Pegula is a business man) would willingly lose 150 million bucks a year. As much as he likes saying he could just drill an oil well, it's not that easy. If it was that easy to create another 150 million a year in revenue by drilling, he'd be worth more than Bill Gates by now.

Being 150 million in the red year after year suddenly turns your billions into millions and eats all your kids' inheritance (whether you think they deserve it or not).

Sure, it's fun to speculate about what a complete UFA free-for-all would look like, but to think Pegula would be handing out 10-year 200 million dollar contracts like candy is nuts. Pegula might be a super fan, but he didn't accumulate 4 billion by being reckless.
Nah, he just left out his second tweet.

"Buffalo Sabres ticket prices up 4000% for 2013."


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12-20-2012, 09:46 PM
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It's funny (perhaps even sad) how much this "negotiation" reminds me of the fiscal cliff negotiation going on in Washington. Our government leaders are on par with Bettman and the NHLPA when it comes to fighting a PR battle while the citizens/fans lose, lose, lose.

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12-21-2012, 09:57 AM
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It's funny (perhaps even sad) how much this "negotiation" reminds me of the fiscal cliff negotiation going on in Washington. Our government leaders are on par with Bettman and the NHLPA when it comes to fighting a PR battle while the citizens/fans lose, lose, lose.
I had the exact same thought last night, about how it is more about one side winning than it is coming together to achieve a goal in both instances.

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12-21-2012, 10:12 AM
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I had the exact same thought last night, about how it is more about one side winning than it is coming together to achieve a goal in both instances.
Being an executive branch employee that works closely with the legislative branch (and having used to work there as well), I think that is a very apt analogy.

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12-21-2012, 02:05 PM
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Fehr has made it clear that he is going to push the process to the ultimate breaking point. We are not there yet.

This may well be the last cancellation, though it is possible we could see one more, wiping out all of January.

Until the towel is dry (see my earlier post on that) and this is pushed as far as it can go, there will be no hockey.

The day WILL come when the process cannot go any further, if the current season is going to be salvaged. That's when a deal will be done. I don't think it is in either side's best interest to miss the entire season.

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12-21-2012, 02:15 PM
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Regarding the prospect of a shortened season if they reach a deal...

I have certainly missed my Sabres games so far, but I have zero reservations about a shortened season.

The season is WAY too long as it is, and far too many boring, meaningless games are played in the NHL each season.

A 45 to 50 game season is probably about the proper length, and there will be no nights off as teams scramble to make the playoffs from GAME ONE.

I think a short season has the potential to be wildly exciting.

The teams that can hit the ground running and play well from the get-go will be those that make the playoffs. A slow start lasting 10 games will likely be too much to recover from.

This format could maybe produce a few surprises. Maybe a team or 2 in the playoffs who would not be there, but for the short season, and a team or 2 that should be there but won't as well.

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12-21-2012, 02:23 PM
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The NHL needs to tell the players the whole season will be cancelled if a deal isn't in place by Jan 1st, there is no urgency and it is making me furious.

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12-24-2012, 04:23 PM
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I found this article funny:

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...-making-money/

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12-28-2012, 04:52 AM
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Did anyone else listen to the Mike Schopp's interview with Mike Harrington of The Buffalo News yesterday?

Harrington reports that 15 out of 15,000 and change Sabres season ticket holders have cancelled their tickets.

So much for "I won't be back!"

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12-28-2012, 06:43 AM
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Did anyone else listen to the Mike Schopp's interview with Mike Harrington of The Buffalo News yesterday?

Harrington reports that 15 out of 15,000 and change Sabres season ticket holders have cancelled their tickets.

So much for "I won't be back!"
There was an article in the paper about it.

Even if you weren't coming back, you'd be dumb to cancel.

4% on your money with the Sabres, or 1% in your bank's savings account.

Hmmmmmm....

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12-28-2012, 08:16 AM
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https://twitter.com/Real_ESPNLeBrun/...63858491166721

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An NHL player says the NHL made a new offer to the NHLPA on Thursday, one which moved on contract term limits, buyouts and variance...
Interesting...

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12-28-2012, 09:33 AM
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Apparently the NHL proposed a transitional buyout, meaning a team can buy out one player with no cap hit going forward. This effectively puts more money into the NHL's offer.

Get ready for more calls to buy out Leino. Question becomes whether the organization is willing to pay Leino $27m for one year of service, assuming the buyout is full compensation.

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12-28-2012, 10:41 AM
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I hope the buyout period is akin to the NBA's rather than a one-shot provision before the new season starts.

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Apparently the NHL proposed a transitional buyout, meaning a team can buy out one player with no cap hit going forward. This effectively puts more money into the NHL's offer.

Get ready for more calls to buy out Leino. Question becomes whether the organization is willing to pay Leino $27m for one year of service, assuming the buyout is full compensation.
Given that the cap doesn't come down until next year (at least according to lebrun), the cap buyouts likely wouldn't be until next summer.

My guess is the buyout wouldn't be 100% either of the contract left. It's currently at 2/3rds, so Buffalo could gain 18 million of cap space over 4 years buying him out @ 10 million

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Details of the new offer include:

Term limit on player contracts moves to six years from the five years NHL asked in previous offers (seven years if you're re-signing your own player).

Year-to-year salary variance moves from 5 percent (NHL's previous offers) to 10 percent.

Each team will be allowed one compliance buyout before the 2013-14 season that will not count against the salary cap but will count against the players' share.

The Make Whole provision stays at $300 million.
http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/87...er-source-says

If the players reject this quickly, there's no hockey this year. Seems like a reasonable offer.

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Apparently still not close...

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12-28-2012, 11:42 AM
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if this passes I wonder if the Sabres use the buyout on Leino.

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Well buyout would be prior to 13-14 season according to lebrun so leinos got 48 games to prove himself, which I doubt he will since he likely wants out of buffalo

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Draft lottery would give all non playoff teams a chance at 1st overall

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Well buyout would be prior to 13-14 season according to lebrun so leinos got 48 games to prove himself, which I doubt he will since he likely wants out of buffalo

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