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Trading inside the division or not ?

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10-29-2012, 04:01 PM
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So what about all these ''it would require an overpayment to trade inside the division" talks, we often see on this forum ? Is that a kinda selfish wishful thinking ?

Can we agree making the best offer among all other teams is usually enough, no need for overpayment on top of that?
No, not in all instances.

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10-29-2012, 04:02 PM
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Does anyone else feel that only a mid-1st and maybe a 2nd is no where near value of a first line forward?

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10-29-2012, 04:04 PM
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Does anyone else feel that only a mid-1st and maybe a 2nd is no where near value of a first line forward?
It's HF, and it's a strong draft. Meh.

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10-29-2012, 04:09 PM
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Does anyone else feel that only a mid-1st and maybe a 2nd is no where near value of a first line forward?
Then lets say he is about to become UFA.


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10-29-2012, 04:11 PM
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Just imagine this scenario from my OP: you accept an inferior offer to trade the player to the other conference. But your rival can still bring their offer to the other team and get the player anyway. The intermediate team will make a plus value in the process and make you look like a dumb GM. Avoiding to trade with a division rival open the door to a scenario like this to happen.
Looking back, I'm pretty sure this is what happened.

*2010-Mar-02 Traded from Pittsburgh Penguins with Luca Caputi to Toronto Maple Leafs for Alexei Ponikarovsky

*2010-Mar-03 Traded from Toronto Maple Leafs to New Jersey Devils for round 5 pick in the 2010 draft (Sam Carrick)

Lou probably wanted Skoula but didn't feel comfortable doing business with a contending divisional rival. But once he was traded, Lou wanted to acquire him, and Burke saw an opportunity to get MORE assets for Ponikarovsky that he originally did.

Kind of ironic that Skoula accomplished nothing in New Jersey, but later they would trade for the same Ponikarovsky who would become a valuable player for them down the stretch in 2012.

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So what about all these ''it would require an overpayment to trade inside the division" talks, we often see on this forum ? Is that a kinda selfish wishful thinking ?

Can we agree making the best offer among all other teams is usually enough, no need for overpayment on top of that?
Whether the trade is to your biggest rival or some team you play only a couple times on the other side of the continent. Take the best offer. Being in division has no affect on a players value in my opinion. As you said, I think it is just wishful thinking.

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10-29-2012, 05:36 PM
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As for Langenbrunner, he had a limited NTC. So Lou had to bring potential offers to Langenbrunner and his agent in order to get them approved. Langenbrunner's agent said that Lou only asked permission for trades to two or three teams, all of which were in the West. Even though we know Philly made an offer of two draft picks. The Dallas offer, which was accepted, only gave up only one. So clearly Lou didn't even consider the offer.

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10-30-2012, 02:00 AM
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It's HF, and it's a strong draft. Meh.
Since it's HF, the Draft after the next one is going to be amazing. And the one after that ... !

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Since it's HF, the Draft after the next one is going to be amazing. And the one after that ... !
So true, it was all about 2012s depth then suddenly YEAH ITS ACTUALLY PRETTY WEAK GUYS

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I wonder if there are study compiling past trades to see if teams really avoid to trade inside the division.

Sometime people come to the wrong conclusion about this.

If a team make in averages 3 trades per years, it will take 10 years in average before he make a trade with a specific rival and it would not mean they are trying to avoid it. And by variance alone, a stretch of 20-30 years without a trade with a rival would not mean they dont want to trade with each other.

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10-31-2012, 10:27 AM
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Looking back, I'm pretty sure this is what happened.

*2010-Mar-02 Traded from Pittsburgh Penguins with Luca Caputi to Toronto Maple Leafs for Alexei Ponikarovsky

*2010-Mar-03 Traded from Toronto Maple Leafs to New Jersey Devils for round 5 pick in the 2010 draft (Sam Carrick)

Lou probably wanted Skoula but didn't feel comfortable doing business with a contending divisional rival. But once he was traded, Lou wanted to acquire him, and Burke saw an opportunity to get MORE assets for Ponikarovsky that he originally did.

Kind of ironic that Skoula accomplished nothing in New Jersey, but later they would trade for the same Ponikarovsky who would become a valuable player for them down the stretch in 2012.
I think from a Toronto perspective Caputi was the player they wanted and had to take Skoula to even out the money a bit. Since they didn't want Skoula they passed him off to whoever would give up a so-so pick instead of rotting in the press box.

Given the opportunity to get Skoula for cheap NJ went for it. I don't think it was some deal orchestrated by Lou to get Skoula, it was just a by-product of the deal to move Ponikarovsky's expiring contract for a prospect.

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