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11-23-2012, 07:56 PM
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Did you watch the games? It was extremely clear when he changed his game up to the deep and low style and he was NOT playing well, he only started to get back on track when he went back to how he played before. Which didn't happen that quick

Not even sure how that can be debated
Its because Luongo was going too deep & he finally got used to the new style & found a comfort zone. He did not give up on Rollie's style..... Melanson has also worked on Luongo's glove positioning to a point that a few scouts have commented on its improvement. I remember hearing that on a SPac broadcast.




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Beautiful shot by Tanev? He get another goal?

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11-23-2012, 08:00 PM
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Luongo's stats improved under Melanson...
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Not true - stats have gone up and down. Last year he was statistically worse than in any year but one in his tenure in Vancouver. There has been no statistical improvement here

And if you camparing stats to the Florida situation you are comparing two totally different situations. No one is going to say the situations were simiiar

Moreover, I think was clear (and this was commented about in the media) that there was an-going problem b/w Luongo and Melanson. Luongo started last season poorly and was giving up goals because he was deep in the crease. Wasn't until he ignored Melanson that he picked up.

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11-23-2012, 08:04 PM
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You guys are re-imagining history on Melanson to suit your biases.

Luongo had bought into Melanson, and there was an adjustment period. The guy had our goalies firing on all cylinders since we had him and made tactical adjustments to our goalies as our opponents adjusted.


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11-23-2012, 08:06 PM
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Beautiful shot by Tanev
Is this real?

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11-23-2012, 08:08 PM
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You guys are not remembering events correctly at all. Luongo had bought into Melanson, and there was an adjustment period.
Yes he is. Reorted everywhere

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11-23-2012, 08:09 PM
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We'll definitely agree to disagree about whether or not melanson improved Luongos game. Though to be honest, theres the whole thing about his injuries and weak areas that will never get talked about (groin most likely) and that maybe melanson made it easier for him to workaround. Thats about all i'd give him

And regarding whether he abandoned it, well he didn't abandon it because he still does play alot lower now but he definitely only took about 25-30 percent of what they had him doing originally. Unless Luongo was told to exaggerate it 400 percent, i definitely think he abandoned it to some extent. It wasn't just a small getting used to type of change he went through to get from when he took on the new style to now, it was a massive change to where it more resembled his old style


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11-23-2012, 08:15 PM
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Rodin scored

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11-23-2012, 08:16 PM
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Now Pinneozotto is beating the **** out of Red Wing golden-boy Brendan Smith.

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Got the Grand Rapids feed and they tried to make it sound like Smith was winning.

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11-23-2012, 08:18 PM
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I sure hope Pinizzotto makes the canucks

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11-23-2012, 08:18 PM
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Not true - stats have gone up and down. Last year he was statistically worse than in any year but one in his tenure in Vancouver. There has been no statistical improvement here

And if you camparing stats to the Florida situation you are comparing two totally different situations. No one is going to say the situations were simiiar

Moreover, I think was clear (and this was commented about in the media) that there was an-going problem b/w Luongo and Melanson. Luongo started last season poorly and was giving up goals because he was deep in the crease. Wasn't until he ignored Melanson that he picked up.
Luongo in Vancouver:

06-07: .921
07-08: .917
08-09: .920
09-10: .913
10-11: .928
11-12: .919

So he had his best statistical year (by far) under Melanson and then he had his 4th best year again under Melanson.

And he's not ignoring Melanson. What a joke. You can clearly see all the adjustments he has made with the help of Melanson. Hell, they both even discussed that he played that deeply in only until he could figure out how to adjust to what Melanson was teaching him.

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Yes he is. Reorted everywhere
The only reliable reporter in Vancouver on goaltending is Kevin Woodley and he would disagree with every single thing you're saying.

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11-23-2012, 08:20 PM
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Yes he is. Reorted everywhere
If Luongo was flouting his goalie coach this would have been a huge deal and we'd all be calling for Melanson's job. Since I've read nothing of the sort, I think its fair assumption that any adjustments to our goalies playing was mutual adjustments the coach helped initiate..

Feel your to post these reports that contradict this, though. Otherwise I'm willing to agree to disagree.

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11-23-2012, 08:21 PM
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He was dropping down on every shot also, not just playing deep

So he went from playing deep and dropping down and basically playing with his paddle on the ice to challenging the shooter again, playing further out and thats not a complete change to very similar to how he was playing before, sure some changes are left but its hard not to believe melanson and luongo compromised. I think Luongo needed a way to deal with his slowness at moving laterally due to his groin issues and I think thats the only reason they took on this change and he adapted some of it

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11-23-2012, 08:21 PM
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These announcers are giant hoooomeeeeeeeeers. XD

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11-23-2012, 08:22 PM
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Rodin turning a corner? I sure hope so.

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11-23-2012, 08:23 PM
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He was dropping down on every shot also.

So he went from playing deep and dropping down and basically playing with his paddle on the ice to challenging the shooter again, playing further out and thats not a complete change to very similar to how he was playing before, sure some changes are left but its hard not to believe melanson and luongo compromised. I think Luongo needed a way to deal with his slowness at moving laterally due to his groin issues and I think thats the only reason they took on this change and he adapted some of it
Ignoring style adjustments, Melanson has improved Luongo's skating by a ton. He can actually do some more advanced butterfly techniques now, unlike prior to his arrival here. Arguing that Melanson hasn't helped Luongo is just insane and shows a complete lack of understanding of goaltending.

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11-23-2012, 08:24 PM
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The only reliable reporter in Vancouver on goaltending is Kevin Woodley and he would disagree with every single thing you're saying.
We could probably just go and ask him. Woodley is very engaging on twitter.

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11-23-2012, 08:24 PM
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We could probably just go and ask him. Woodley is very engaging on twitter.
I'm not on Twitter so I can't. But I know he has posted about Luongo and Melanson constantly this past year and he didn't post anything close to what orcatown is claiming.

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11-23-2012, 08:27 PM
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Gotta love the Luongo talk being more prominent then the Wolves talk

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How was Rodins goal?

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11-23-2012, 08:30 PM
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Rodin dumped dangerously into the boards.

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11-23-2012, 08:30 PM
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Gotta love the Luongo talk being more prominent then the Wolves talk
Well i'd be talking wolves if i could get a stream

And I'd be paying for a stream if I didn't continually hear theyre poor quality and on top of that, high priced

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11-23-2012, 08:32 PM
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Gotta love the Luongo talk being more prominent then the Wolves talk
Well, it ties into Lack too, I presume. If not Melanson, then he must be playing very deep for some other reason?

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5 on 3 after the Griffins knocked the puck into the stands

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Btw 0/6 on the PP.

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