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10-30-2012, 11:06 AM
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Spector: Could unhappy NHL teams split off to form new league?

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nhl/stor...ada-shea-weber

While "replacement league" topic has been discussed previously, here's a new look at forming new league from existing NHL teams.

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The pitfalls of a “rebel league” are obvious, starting with the difficulty of finding places to play in the major markets necessary for success, continuing with finding enough well-heeled owners to afford the talent to make it a worthwhile endeavor, and going right on through to dealing with antitrust laws.
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Instead of dreaming of a league that starts from scratch, even though it would be fun to see all the new hockey teams—Boston Blades! Montreal Olympiques! British Columbia Explorers!—why not move forward with a new league of existing teams?
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It’s an oversimplification to say that the common denominator of the three NHL lockouts, in 1994, 2004, and now, is Gary Bettman. The problem is not the commissioner himself; it’s the very nature of his job, trying to represent the common interests of his 30 bosses. Those common interests—paying current players as little as they possibly can; staging a draft to “ensure competitive balance” and pay new players less than they'd make on an open market; making as much money as possible from national television and sponsorship deals—all feature the same word: money.

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But you can also bet that if 22 teams decided to basically secede from the NHL and operate as independent businesses, and poached a couple of folks from NHL headquarters to handle officiating, scheduling, national sponsorships, and the like, the remaining eight would not want to be left watching as their players and fans defected.
Riiiiiiight. Cause only 8 teams are the ones supporting the lockout. 22 want to sign the NHLPA's deal. This guy is drinking the kool-aid Fehr is handing out to his players.

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Something to keep in mind if you read the article (or even more importantly if you don't).
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On Mondays during the NHL lockout, Sporting News will present radical—and, in most cases improbable—proposals designed to get the league back on track and ensure its long-term health. The seventh in that series: using existing teams to form the backbone of a "rebel league."

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and going right on through to dealing with antitrust laws
Spector should have just started and ended here. It's not happening.

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It would only take Toronto, Detroit, and the NYR to dismantle this league and form a new one in their image. Maaaaybe Chicago, Philly, Montreal, and Boston as well.

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It would only take Toronto, Detroit, and the NYR to dismantle this league and form a new one in their image. Maaaaybe Chicago, Philly, Montreal, and Boston as well.
Why would they? Toronto and NYR are making money hand over fist cause they have artificially spent less on salaries due to a cap system. Breaking off and creating their own league wouldn't be getting them anymore money. It would be an open market on salaries and I can guarantee that slaries for those teams would be way higher and profits way lower.

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Antitrust lawsuits would take years for this to settle. Purely delusional proposal.

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But you can also bet that if 22 teams decided to basically secede from the NHL and operate as independent businesses, and poached a couple of folks from NHL headquarters to handle officiating, scheduling, national sponsorships, and the like, the remaining eight would not want to be left watching as their players and fans defected.
Or they could just vote to remove Bettman, settle, and drop the puck - a hell of a lot easier and cheaper.

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While "replacement league" topic has been discussed previously, here's a new look at forming new league from existing NHL teams.
Having writing deadlines for hockey-related material when there is no hockey going on is really taking its toll on spector...

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It would only take Toronto, Detroit, and the NYR to dismantle this league and form a new one in their image. Maaaaybe Chicago, Philly, Montreal, and Boston as well.
Go ahead,... add Winnipeg to your list.

You know you really want to.

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As the quote provided by Mouser said, this is one of a series of articles dealing with "radical -- and in most cases, improbable" proposals to end the lockout. But then why should facts get in the way of some good old-fashioned hfboards' indignancy?


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It would only take Toronto, Detroit, and the NYR to dismantle this league and form a new one in their image. Maaaaybe Chicago, Philly, Montreal, and Boston as well.
Hasn't the press and 1-2 players, come out and accused Boston's owner and Philly's owner, of being hardliners pushing this lockout ?

Since Bettman is doing exactly what Boston and Philly want, why would those teams bolt from the NHL?

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a. if teams jumped the league to create their own league, each player's contract would become invalid as they are all NHL contracts.

b. if those teams were that set on doing that and had the cooperation of the players to do so, they would have the power to simply revolt and perform a coup de ta of the NHL leadership and keep the league under their control.

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Why would they? Toronto and NYR are making money hand over fist cause they have artificially spent less on salaries due to a cap system. Breaking off and creating their own league wouldn't be getting them anymore money. It would be an open market on salaries and I can guarantee that slaries for those teams would be way higher and profits way lower.
Yhe whole point of the article and thread is based on a hypothetical, bizarro world situation. With that in mind, I would say that Detroit, Toronto, and NYR would have enough influence to shape their own NHL or NAHL IF they woke up tomorrow and decided to.

There was another thread a few weeks ago where people said legally, any NHL team that leaves could probably take the logos, arena deals, and everything else associated with them to another league.

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b. if those teams were that set on doing that and had the cooperation of the players to do so, they would have the power to simply revolt and perform a coup de ta of the NHL leadership and keep the league under their control.
Coup d'état

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I can see it now... The way most of these owners can stop themselves from continually paying players higher and higher salaries; if you take the economic weaker teams out of the picture then the next thing you'll have are near billionaire players. And fans complaining even more about players earning too much.

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The time for rival leagues has passed. Teams trade on their histories and traditions. When the WHA came along all but 6 teams were less than 5 years old. Now anything but the NHL would seem second rate

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Could reporters and bloggers top writing pointless hypothetical scenario stories which will never happen? No

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yup so when the owners vote 30-0 to support Gary and the lockout their unhappy....right Spector lol

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It would only take Toronto, Detroit, and the NYR to dismantle this league and form a new one in their image
Toronto leaving the league would probably be good for business from the perspective of every owner except maybe Ottawa and possibly Buffalo. Their profits raise the salary cap above many owners' comfort level and their on ice product has been irrelevant for a decade and wouldn't be missed.

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yup so when the owners vote 30-0 to support Gary and the lockout their unhappy....right Spector lol
Do you believe all PR spin you get from the NHL head office? If the real vote was 16-14 I'm sure they would have voted again to make it look unanimous. No one is going to announce that barely half the teams wanted a lockout. The whole reason the owners aren't allowed to talk is to make it look like they're all on the same page. I'll give you a hint: they're not.

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Could they? Yes.

Will They? No chance.

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As the quote provided by Mouser said, this is one of a series of articles dealing with "radical -- and in most cases, improbable" proposals to end the lockout. But then why should facts get in the way of some good old-fashioned hfboards' indignancy?

I think most of them are confused by the word 'improbable'...

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Yhe whole point of the article and thread is based on a hypothetical, bizarro world situation. With that in mind, I would say that Detroit, Toronto, and NYR would have enough influence to shape their own NHL or NAHL IF they woke up tomorrow and decided to.

There was another thread a few weeks ago where people said legally, any NHL team that leaves could probably take the logos, arena deals, and everything else associated with them to another league.
I didn't see that thread, so I have to ask if that info came from someone credible in the league offices or media? Or from a massage board poster?

4 yrs ago, Dolan unsuccessfully sued the N.H.L. for not allowing the team to run its own Web site. Seems like Bettman and the league front office run a really tight ship. Hard to think the NHL would not own the rights to team names and logos.

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