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97 Flyers vs 09 Red Wings

View Poll Results: 97 Flyers vs 09 Red Wings
Wings in 4 1 4.00%
Wings in 5 5 20.00%
Wings in 6 8 32.00%
Wings in 7 3 12.00%
Flyers in 4 0 0%
Flyers in 5 0 0%
Flyers in 6 5 20.00%
Flyers in 7 3 12.00%
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10-31-2012, 08:12 AM
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97 Flyers vs 09 Red Wings

7 game series who wins and how.

and yes its just a random matchup

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10-31-2012, 09:37 AM
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Depends on which era their playing in.

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10-31-2012, 09:42 AM
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I think the Flyers would be (have been?) able to just brute force the 09 Wings en route to a SC win. Like KingForsberg mentioned it sorta depends on the era, or rather what set of rules the refs would be calling by. Still think the Flyers would take it though.

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Detroit in 5 or 6.

Phillys goal tending and production outside of their top line would be their downfall.

Also assuming that both teams are at full health.

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2009 Wings in 6.

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10-31-2012, 11:32 AM
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Phillys goal tending would be their downfall.
You don't think Hextall/Snow are at least equal with Osgood?

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You don't think Hextall/Snow are at least equal with Osgood?
Not during those respective years.

Anyway, if Detroit is actually healthy I think they win it. The Lindros line would probably be hard for them to handle given how poorly they did against the Getzlaf line that year, but Philly lacked depth.

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10-31-2012, 12:04 PM
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The Western top teams from those few years had the impression of being far and above the Eastern teams so I'd still say that Evil Wings would win. They were just so far superior to Philadelphia back then and I have the belief that the best teams from now would normally beat the best teams from the 90s.

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10-31-2012, 12:13 PM
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Would depend on which era's rules we would be going on.

Detroit's 09 team was all puck possession. If they had to play in the late 90s they would have had issues getting through the opposition as easily as they did in 2009. I think that is the biggest factor in which team would win.

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10-31-2012, 12:50 PM
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I think Philly might just take this one. '97 Detroit won by playing a near perfect team game. All four forward lines and all three defensive pairs were just precisely in synch, which resulted in them dictating the ice for huge stretches of the series. Even given that there were still short stretches where Philly was in control. I think if Detroit had cracked just a little bit in any of the first 2.5 games (basically up until Game 3 became a route), it would have been a much closer series.

Detroit '09 was not playing that near perfect team game. In fact, that was the big difference between Detroit '08 and Detroit '09. Detroit '09 probably had more talent, but the team as a whole didn't have that perfect positional play which allowed them to dominate so many games in '08.

In any event, with Detroit '09 lacking that near perfect cohesion I could see the '97 Flyers top 2 lines getting their breaks, and I'd predict a series much like the Pens/Wings '09 final.

The real Philly '97 just had its confidence shattered after the first two games. However, the '09 Wings didn't play as well as the '97 Wings, and without that level of play I could see Philly winning one of the first two, which might have made all the difference.

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10-31-2012, 01:22 PM
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if datsyuk and lidstrom/rafalski could neutralize the LOD, would brind'amour et al. be able to answer for zetterberg and franzen? i don't think so personally.

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IMO, the Flyers had a little more depth than they're given credit for. The post-cap, 30-team NHL has a bit lighter standard for what constitutes a good bottom-6. The '97 Wings made depth an issue because they had one of the best bottom-6s ever assembled, with some of the same players as the '09 team but 12 years younger.

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10-31-2012, 01:43 PM
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Lidstrom-Murphy with help from Yzerman and Fedorov absolutely embarrassed Lindros.

Lidstrom-Rafalski with help from Datsyuk and Zetterberg has a chance to do the same.

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If the Wings are healthy, they roll. But if they're as banged up as they actually were in the '09 SCF, it's a toss-up.

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Would depend on which era's rules we would be going on.

Detroit's 09 team was all puck possession. If they had to play in the late 90s they would have had issues getting through the opposition as easily as they did in 2009. I think that is the biggest factor in which team would win.
This is an interesting point, but kind of in the other way for me. The thought of Eric Lindros playing without the ability to hold him up on the forecheck is frightening. I think Barnaby said in the tsn most feared hitter series that Lindros would send guys out on stretchers every night under the current rules. Without the d-man to hold him up and run interference he would be crushing every guy not named Lidstrom in the corner. Then again Kronwall might end his series in the first period of game 1.

If the 09 Wings were healthy and Bettman isn't changing the schedule around they are a tough team to beat. In the 08 and 09 playoff runs Osgood played arguably the best hockey of his life so that is a big advantage. Forward depth is also a big advantage for Detroit in my opinion.

But it is hard to say that the Flyers wouldn't gain some advantages out of the new rules. They were big and mean, but far from only a clutch and grab success. They might actually be slightly better by todays rules, something I think a lot of people overlook just assuming they could only play in the clutch and grab era. They did struggle to match up against the Wings system then and probably would again, but it would be interesting to watch, Wings in 6 or 7.

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Wings in four. Flyers would still choke and not be able to win one game (ok maybe one).

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I said Wings in 7 but it very well could be 5 or 6. Look, the Flyers have a long history of dropping the ball and looking miserable in the final. They last won the Cup in 1975 and since then have had 6 trips to the final with some being just awful. 1997 was one of those years. I honestly believe the Cup final in 1997 was between the Wings and Avs because Philly just had a way of self destructing, even then.

I have my reservations on Osgood, but he's still better than Snow and definitely an old Hextall. The Wings blow them away on defense in my opinion and at forward you've got Datsyuk and Zetterberg who are already battle tested at that time and play more or less of an errorless game. You can't say that about Lindros. Especially at this time he had a bad knack for failing to lead his teams. Leclair was never a great playoff performer from the get go so like another poster said could BrindAmour be the guy that would pull up the slack? I don't think he would.

I don't see the 1997 Flyers having an answer for Malkin or Crosby in 2009 so they certainly find a way to lose to the Red Wings as well

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My vote was Red Wings in 6 games because they had Chris Osgood who already won 3 Stanley Cups.

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