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Friedman Speculates on Teams Believed to be Hardliners

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11-27-2012, 09:12 AM
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Nothing too surprising

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_...nt=More+Sports

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Believing a deal is there to be had, several team executives have told The Post of their frustration with the league’s refusal to negotiate off the PA’s proposal of last Wednesday and with the NHL’s all-or-nothing approach to bargaining.

Team executives — with the apparent exception of militant Maple Leafs GM Brian Burke — have all but been eliminated from the process by the hard line Board negotiating committee.
It's funny that Burke is militant given that i'd think MLSE would want the team back on the ice.

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11-27-2012, 09:16 AM
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Nothing too surprising

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It's funny that Burke is militant given that i'd think MLSE would want the team back on the ice.
He wants to rules to change so he can finally start his 2-3 year retool thing.

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11-27-2012, 09:23 AM
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He wants to rules to change so he can finally start his 2-3 year retool thing.
I thought it was a *5* year plan he had

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11-27-2012, 09:30 AM
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Nothing too surprising

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It's funny that Burke is militant given that i'd think MLSE would want the team back on the ice.
He knows he's getting fired at the end of the year so he's trying to put that off as long possible.

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11-27-2012, 09:32 AM
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Jeremy Jacobs has entirely too much influence in the NHL it wouldn't surprise me if he was one of the hardliners.
Jacobs is the King of the hardliners. Without him, they'd be playing hockey right now. He screwed his own team for years with one contract holdout after another. Get rid of Jacobs and we go a long way to ending this disaster. But that won't happen because the NHL are run by idiots.

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11-27-2012, 09:42 AM
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What's the NHLPA run by?

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11-27-2012, 09:52 AM
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Move those 'hardliner' teams to places that support ****ing hockey - problem solved. Stupid mother****ers....



Just another reason......
Awesome, an NHL that features only the Toronto Maple Leafs, Montreal Canadiens and New York Rangers.... Can't wait!!!!

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11-27-2012, 12:28 PM
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Awesome, an NHL that features only the Toronto Maple Leafs, Montreal Canadiens and New York Rangers.... Can't wait!!!!
Well since these are the teams that support failed Bettman expansions financially... The league could do worse ie Jacobs and his puppet Bettman.

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11-27-2012, 12:33 PM
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Awesome, an NHL that features only the Toronto Maple Leafs, Montreal Canadiens and New York Rangers.... Can't wait!!!!
add in boston, chicago and detroit and let's talk ...

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11-27-2012, 12:40 PM
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And Flyers, Vancouver, Edmonton, Calgary, Minnesota, Dallas, LA.

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11-27-2012, 08:56 PM
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You gotta have a 2nd team in NY. They have a complex thingy going on between rival teams

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I think we have a complex here in Hamilton...

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11-27-2012, 09:42 PM
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And Flyers, Vancouver, Edmonton, Calgary, Minnesota, Dallas, LA.
Winnipeg and Ottawa as well.

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11-27-2012, 09:59 PM
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And Flyers, Vancouver, Edmonton, Calgary, Minnesota, Dallas, LA.
So Minn and Dallas, both teams with owners claiming to be financially strapped wouldn't be hardliners?

And Calgary, who the press says made only a $1m profit, also would not be among the hardliners?

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11-27-2012, 10:46 PM
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So Minn and Dallas, both teams with owners claiming to be financially strapped wouldn't be hardliners?

And Calgary, who the press says made only a $1m profit, also would not be among the hardliners?

No, they were talking about which cities would have teams, not who's a hardliner.

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11-28-2012, 09:05 AM
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And Flyers, Vancouver, Edmonton, Calgary, Minnesota, Dallas, LA.
No way the smAller Canadian markets compete with an unrestricted Toronto market with no cap.

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No way the smAller Canadian markets compete with an unrestricted Toronto market with no cap.
Financially no. But as Toronto has shown since 1967, cap or no cap, they can't compete on the ice. Before the cap Toronto could easily out spend any other team.

Just because you can spend unlimited amounts, doesn't mean you are going to be successful on the ice.

See: http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmi...-for-the-buck/


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11-30-2012, 12:28 PM
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Columbus - has the 2013 All-Star Game
Islanders - plenty of excitement over the pending move to Brooklyn
Phoenix - may or may not finally be sold
St. Louis - new ownership
Florida - just made the playoffs for the first time in over a decade

Yeah, I'm sure all of those teams, or even some of them, are really looking forward to wiping out a season.
I'd take Dallas off of the list of hardliners and add them to this list. Dallas has been a very strong market in the past, but the 2-3 years where we were a floor team because of Hicks' troubles really hurt them in the market. Gaglardi is hitting reboot on this franchise, and a long lockout is exactly what the Stars don't need.

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11-30-2012, 12:36 PM
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Gaglardi owns the Kamloops Blazers Jr team and has done a good job.Before he took over the club stuggled for 7 or 8 yrs due to missmanagement.He will do a good job though he's canadian he and other family members have spent a lot of time texas over the years

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The cap isn't the problem. The rapid acceleration of mandatory payrolls is a big problem, and the inability to offset that is a bigger one. The unwillingness of certain owners (read: "traditional markets") to adopt an NFL-style system of revenue sharing directly relates to that.
The part in bold is spot on.

The way the math works, the floor grows faster than the cap. Correct that calculation, and the teams that are losing money become solvent. Rather than being a fixed dollar amount less than the cap, it should change/increase by the same percentage.

The fact that this has not been a part of any of the owners' proposals tells me that their supposed concern for the small market teams is a sham, and that the real goal of the 'hard line' owners in this lockout (and the next one, and the next one after that..) is to guarantee further increases in profits for large market teams.

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11-30-2012, 02:07 PM
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So Minn and Dallas, both teams with owners claiming to be financially strapped wouldn't be hardliners?

And Calgary, who the press says made only a $1m profit, also would not be among the hardliners?
Dallas' owner is cash strapped? Since when?

Gagliardi seems anxious about getting back, nothing points to him being a hardliner.

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11-30-2012, 02:18 PM
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The part in bold is spot on.

The way the math works, the floor grows faster than the cap. Correct that calculation, and the teams that are losing money become solvent. Rather than being a fixed dollar amount less than the cap, it should change/increase by the same percentage.

The fact that this has not been a part of any of the owners' proposals tells me that their supposed concern for the small market teams is a sham, and that the real goal of the 'hard line' owners in this lockout (and the next one, and the next one after that..) is to guarantee further increases in profits for large market teams.

So get rid of the floor.

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No way the smAller Canadian markets compete with an unrestricted Toronto market with no cap.
Time to be honest. Canadian markets don't get the top FA's anyway. When you get that taste of NY, LA, Miami, Bay Area, Chicago, etc. You are staying there.

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Does someone smarter than myself want to discuss potential negatives of expanding the cap range. Currently the floor and the ceiling are calculated as 8M from the midpoint. Seems fairly logical to me to make this gap wider. If the league wants to stick with linkage, wouldn't this be in the best interest of teams that struggle to reach the floor? I don't think players or rich teams would mind either. I understand the parity argument but aside from that, any drawbacks?

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Does someone smarter than myself want to discuss potential negatives of expanding the cap range. Currently the floor and the ceiling are calculated as 8M from the midpoint. Seems fairly logical to me to make this gap wider. If the league wants to stick with linkage, wouldn't this be in the best interest of teams that struggle to reach the floor? I don't think players or rich teams would mind either. I understand the parity argument but aside from that, any drawbacks?
Bettman and the owners have stated that league success is a direct result of league parity. Moving the floor and ceiling further apart hurts parity, and the success and legitimacy of the league.

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