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12-15-2012, 11:13 AM
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i am a huge Bragin supporter, probably the only one on CSKA forum. A winning confident coach, but everybody on cska forum hates him for his spartak past and for overplaying stars, benching youth, and playing defensive hockey without established offense. What people refuse to understand, is that CSKA for the past two years was an outsider (let's be honest here) and it takes time to gain different mentality and build a team.
Also, I think, Bragin had a iffy relationship with charismatic players on CSKA's roster (Bryzgalov, Radulov)...
The reason they retained Bragin is probably not to pay severance.

p.s. I feel bad for Bragin, he was put forth in an unfair situation, not given time to build a team...with all that he had 23 wins out of 33 games, pretty good if u ask me.

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12-15-2012, 11:14 AM
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Rzhiga is not a clown

Very suprised who they will hire now
he is too, I will puke in my mouth if they hire him. Now the rumor is Andy Murray ( I'd take that, see how Radulov likes that )

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12-15-2012, 05:31 PM
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Ya rizha does in fact look like a clown. He needs a new haircut or something Just something about him makes me laugh

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Sopel is rumored to go to Atlant. They aslo are trading Rybakov to Yugra, cutting Bobrov and Baev, and about to rid themselves from Nurislamov

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smaller scale deals: (D) Rybnitskiy traded from Neftekhimik to Avto, and SKA's prospect Tikhomirov is traded to Vityaz'.

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smaller scale deals: (D) Rybnitskiy traded from Neftekhimik to Avto, and SKA's prospect Tikhomirov is traded to Vityaz'.
If I understand it, it was not a trade??

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If I understand it, it was not a trade??
well, how else a player from one organization goes to the other? I don't have specifics.

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well, how else a player from one organization goes to the other? I don't have specifics.
a player mutually terminates his contract with club A and after a few days he signs with club B. Lets look at Bobrov or Baev cases. They mutually terminated contracts with Atlant and have to find new clubs. According to Atlant´s website, Baev will sign with Sibir and acc.to Dementiev Bobrov have new club as well

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Lupul said - he's not going back to the KHL during a life-broadcast (per Osadchenko). I wonder how the contract structured and if he was supposed to come back - I hope he will be suspended from international tournaments (I know NHL won't respect the contract)

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Lupul said - he's not going back to the KHL during a life-broadcast (per Osadchenko). I wonder how the contract structured and if he was supposed to come back - I hope he will be suspended from international tournaments (I know NHL won't respect the contract)
or contract will be mutually terminated

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Lupul said - he's not going back to the KHL during a life-broadcast (per Osadchenko). I wonder how the contract structured and if he was supposed to come back - I hope he will be suspended from international tournaments (I know NHL won't respect the contract)
Always interesting to read the experiances of players. It goes to show how much different though it is between the KHL and NHL and just as some Russians cannot adapt to the game and lifestyle over here, the same goes for North Americans over there ( Kane, Lupul ) .

http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/...hockey-feschuk

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Always interesting to read the experiances of players. It goes to show how much different though it is between the KHL and NHL and just as some Russians cannot adapt to the game and lifestyle over here, the same goes for North Americans over there ( Kane, Lupul ) .

http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/...hockey-feschuk
and therefore kids under 19-21 should stay at home.

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Slovan players have been commenting negatively about food ("too bland", like Lupul said) and accommodation ("beds too narrow") in some KHL venues as well, especially players with overseas experience. Some said, "Visiting some Russian cities is like going back to the 1970s."

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and therefore kids under 19-21 should stay at home.
Agreed just picturing myself at 17 makes me shake my head lol. I couldn't imagine having to go to a new country with a new culture to worry about instead of just hockey. Not being able to understand the coach and being lonely I'd imagine. Sadly will not be happening anytime soon and people like Larionov will continue to get rich off neive kids.

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Slovan players have been commenting negatively about food ("too bland", like Lupul said) and accommodation ("beds too narrow") in some KHL venues as well, especially players with overseas experience. Some said, "Visiting some Russian cities is like going back to the 1970s."
you know, it is up to visited club to choose a hotel. It is problem of Slovan (HC LEV etc) if they choose bad hotels (with bad food).

why did they choose this


and not this? for example

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Bah, Lupul hated dill, sour cream and cow tongue. Is he nuts? All that stuff is delicious.

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Why do Ak Bars Kazaň have the worst KHL attendance (even worse than Lev Prague), percentage-wise, when it's an elite KHL team?

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Why do Ak Bars Kazaň have the worst KHL attendance (even worse than Lev Prague), percentage-wise, when it's an elite KHL team?
Lots of ways to spend an evening in Kazan, lots of sport teams and also weak Ak Bars PR department.

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Why do Ak Bars Kazaň have the worst KHL attendance (even worse than Lev Prague), percentage-wise, when it's an elite KHL team?
That has bothered me for a while as well. Quiet alot actually. In an attempt to find out why, I did some research. It turns out that the reasons may be commercial.

Ak-Bars has by far the most expensive tickets in Russia. The average of each ticket is 616.7 R for every game. Including lesser opponents

For comparison Dynamo like many other teams has ticket prices that vary from categort to category(there are 4, tickets against elite opponents like SKA are more expensive) has an average of 537.5R for the top category opponents and just 287.5R for category 4, making the average price 412.5R for their home arena, while an average of 530.5R for Megasport arena, by the same averaging method.

Lokomotiv has an average ticket price of 580R at most

But the contrast gets even more sharp as we dwell into Ak-Bars' own conference:

Salavat has an average price of 550R

And the most shocking is Metallurg M, with category 1 tickets at an average of 400R and just 214R for category 4 making the average just 307R!!!! Half of Ak-Bars

What this means is that Ak-Bars with half the viewers of teams like Metallurg make just as much money.
4000 fans X 616.7 = 2,466,800 For Ak-Bars
6000 fans X 412.5 = 2,475,000 For Dynamo
8000 fans X 306.0 = 2,448,000 For Metallurg

go figure, and it gets alot worse for teams that are in the Eastern conference.

I know that generally the KHL does not try to become profitable from in-house attendance. At the same time, why does Ak-Bars maintain such high prices? Even by western standards 616.7 Rubles is 15.12 Euro so among Bratislava prices before the black market onslaught.

I would imagine that if Ak-Bars offered Metallurg prices their arena would be filled.

Does anybody have other insight?


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http://www.ak-bars.ru/tickets/
http://www.dynamo.ru/tickets/
http://www.hclokomotiv.ru/tickets/
http://www.hcsalavat.ru/?md=part&showpart=17
http://www.metallurg.ru/site/local/tickets/

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That has bothered me for a while as well. Quiet alot actually. In an attempt to find out why, I did some research. It turns out that the reasons may be commercial.

Ak-Bars has by far the most expensive tickets in Russia. The average of each ticket is 616.7 R for every game. Including lesser opponents
Wrong. Amur average ticket price is above 800 rubles. I've already posted a link to the league ticket prices. Dig it up.

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12-17-2012, 09:18 PM
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Thanks for the reasearch, guys.

Speaking of ticket prices, all tickets for Slovan's home games in January have just sold out in electronic auctions, with the cheapest to games against opponents like Avtomobilist at €22 (around 900 roubles), and the most expensive game being against Magnitogorsk (cheapest ticket at €28, around 1150 roubles). If the NHL starts before Mr. Malkin arrives here, I think many ticket buyers will be furious.

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Wrong. Amur average ticket price is above 800 rubles. I've already posted a link to the league ticket prices. Dig it up.

Wasnt able to find it, give me a link maybe.


Ok, your right. But Amur, like Slovan is the excaptional case where demand is much higher than supply. I will rephrase my statement to 'Among the highest in Russia', ( Ak-Bars ticket prices are higher than Lonkomotiv, Dynamo, Metallurg, Salavat, etc.). Still how does that change the content of my post?

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