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11-02-2012, 08:46 PM
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Janssen >> Marmol and makes less than half the money.

Jays could have traded for a decent reliever which wouldn't cost much and flipped him over Haren.

Seems like Angels are also picking up part or all of his 3.5M buyout amount. Inexcusable that Jays couldn't get this done (only excusable if he could block trade to Toronto).
Yup unless of course the A's GM absolutely loves Marmol.

I think Haren could put a 3.70 ERA and get to 200 IP if he played with the Jays.

He had an off year last year but he is a damn good pitcher.

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11-02-2012, 08:48 PM
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Another thing to think about is with the Angles giving up Haren they probably are confident they will re-sign Grienke.
Confident but doesn't mean they will. We had already heard before the season was over that Angels were going to decline Santana and Haren option and it's possible that they would have done this even without having Grienke.

Grienke is going to have a ton of suitors and some big ones in Dodgers/Rangers/Yankees/Red Sox.

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11-02-2012, 08:57 PM
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Wow, way to miss the boat AA. What a scrub GM

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11-02-2012, 09:03 PM
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7:56pm: Alden Gonzalez of MLB.com (via Twitter) hears that the deal has not been completed and the Angels are still active in discussions with more than one team.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#u4CUEWY7kUHJiVu8.99

Oh please gawd, let that be the Jays!

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11-02-2012, 09:08 PM
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Carlos Marmol's walk rate the last 4 years:

2012 - 7.32 BB/9 -18%
2011 - 5.84 BB/9 -14%
2010 - 6.03 BB/9 -15%
2009 - 7.91 BB/9 -19%

I am sadly not even joking...

As Scion said, the Jays could have easily matched that and should be rightfully criticized if they don't improve on Haren.

Seriously, what kind of team has a closer with his walk-rate so high? Can you imagine walking a batter in the 9th so often?

What sense does it make paying him 9.8 million instead of Haren at 15.5 million?

Cubs rotation just turned into: Haren, Garza and Samardzjia. That's a very good rotation.
The angels do love picking up other teams overpaid garbage.

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11-02-2012, 09:09 PM
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7:56pm: Alden Gonzalez of MLB.com (via Twitter) hears that the deal has not been completed and the Angels are still active in discussions with more than one team.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#u4CUEWY7kUHJiVu8.99

Oh please gawd, let that be the Jays!
Agreed, need the jays to jump in on this one and make it happen.

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11-02-2012, 09:11 PM
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Cmon AA. Walk in at the last moment and ninja this thing.

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11-02-2012, 09:14 PM
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7:56pm: Alden Gonzalez of MLB.com (via Twitter) hears that the deal has not been completed and the Angels are still active in discussions with more than one team.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#u4CUEWY7kUHJiVu8.99

Oh please gawd, let that be the Jays!
It needs to happen real soon. I guess the Angels could just pick up the option and trade him later. If Harden goes for next to nothing and not to the jays I think AA would have a tough time living it down unless he does better in the off season.

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11-02-2012, 09:17 PM
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Wow, way to miss the boat AA. What a scrub GM
Can we blame the corporate ****s that are the Rogers?

AA is a pretty good GM but you can only do so much when nobody wants to sign here and he doesn't have the financial flexibility.

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11-02-2012, 09:31 PM
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Haren-for-Marmol NOT done. #Angels continue to talk to other clubs. #Cubs asked Marmol about teams on his no-trade and whether he would MORE

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agree to trade to #Angels. Again, no deal with #Cubs is complete. Possible, but not complete.

Yup, not done yet.

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11-02-2012, 09:36 PM
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Wrong thread.

Maybe Haren still needs to approve the trade.

Maybe not:

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Decision rests with Marmol, according to source. If he agrees to join #Angels, Haren will go to #Cubs.

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11-02-2012, 09:41 PM
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Someone in the Cubs front office has a loud mouth, I recall them breaking the trade of Dempster prematurely and it didn't end up happening.

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11-02-2012, 09:43 PM
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I agree that could be the case but it was an Angels writer that broke the story.

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11-02-2012, 09:44 PM
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8:42pm: The deal will take place if Marmol agrees to join the Angels, a source told Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (via Twitter).
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#ITbRsgoeU2sJjDgz.99
Figures.

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Decision rests with Marmol, according to source. If he agrees to join #Angels, Haren will go to #Cubs.

So basically a done deal. Jays... so full of disappointments.

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11-02-2012, 09:51 PM
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You all have to realize that 28 other teams could easily beat this trade. If you have an entire league worth of management and scouts not willing to pay more then Marmol (who is a terrible contract) then what does that tell you?

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11-02-2012, 09:59 PM
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You all have to realize that 28 other teams could easily beat this trade. If you have an entire league worth of management and scouts not willing to pay more then Marmol (who is a terrible contract) then what does that tell you?
This. Settle down people. Have some faith in your GM, I think by the end of 2012 you'll be singing his praises.

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11-02-2012, 10:03 PM
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You all have to realize that 28 other teams could easily beat this trade. If you have an entire league worth of management and scouts not willing to pay more then Marmol (who is a terrible contract) then what does that tell you?
It might also be a combination of wanting to trade him to the NL and to a team that the Angels dont think is a threat to win the WS. That significantly decreases the amount of suitors.

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11-02-2012, 10:04 PM
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It might also be a combination of wanting to trade him to the NL and to a team that the Angels dont think is a threat to win the WS. That significantly decreases the amount of suitors.
So you think the Angels want to take on a mediocre player on a terrible contract out of spite?

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11-02-2012, 10:06 PM
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So you think the Angels want to take on a mediocre player on a terrible contract out of spite?
Maybe the Angels dont see Marmol as a mediocre player?

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11-02-2012, 10:07 PM
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Control your sentiments guys. Dan Haren is signed for a year and had a pretty off year. Offseason just started so maybe easy with the overreaction.

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11-02-2012, 10:07 PM
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Maybe the Angels dont see Marmol as a mediocre player?
But....he is.

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11-02-2012, 10:10 PM
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But....he is.
so was Bautista before he got to work with the right coaches. Maybe Angels see something they can improve with Marmol and make him better ?

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Well it's confirmed; Wikipedia says Marmol is an Angel.

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You all have to realize that 28 other teams could easily beat this trade. If you have an entire league worth of management and scouts not willing to pay more then Marmol (who is a terrible contract) then what does that tell you?
That is an oversimplification.

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