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11-09-2012, 07:10 PM
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NHL is very frustrated by Fehr...they are going after him. The gloves are off now.
Fehr is treading a fine line between union advocate and renegade, it seems.

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11-09-2012, 07:12 PM
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The players ended up with younger free agency and they gained 1 year in salary arbitration in exchange for taking the cap. Now management wants to take away those gains on top of the players agreeing to go from 57% to 50%-50%.
That's the problem. The PA feels they are owed something for giving in on the cap. They got paid handsomely in the last CBA. As they will the next one.

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11-09-2012, 07:14 PM
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Any word if they will resume talks tomorrow?

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11-09-2012, 07:17 PM
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That's the problem. The PA feels they are owed something for giving in on the cap. They got paid handsomely in the last CBA. As they will the next one.
Agreed. If this thing becomes all about revenge for 2004-2005, they might as well pack up and go home.

In the end, these players get paid millions of dollars to play the game of hockey and go home. Their opposition is trying to run a business, and all the things that go along with it.

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11-09-2012, 07:21 PM
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We can forget about a season this year, the players don't seem like they care to have one anymore.

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11-09-2012, 07:25 PM
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Eh I call ********, players have been in on the discussions as well, and Fehr is too savvy to make a mistake like this supposed mistake. This is just the NHL looking for some way to get to him

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11-09-2012, 07:26 PM
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Eh I call ********, players have been in on the discussions as well, and Fehr is too savvy to make a mistake like this supposed mistake. This is just the NHL looking for some way to get to him
NHL went after Goodenow, now they're going after Fehr.

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Don Fehr is the worst thing to happen to hockey since Gary Bettman.

What a circus. See ya later.

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11-09-2012, 07:28 PM
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Don Fehr is the worst thing to happen to hockey since Gary Bettman.

What a circus. See ya later.
agreed, those two deserve each other. I wish both of them would find a new line of work.

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11-09-2012, 07:29 PM
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Eh I call ********, players have been in on the discussions as well, and Fehr is too savvy to make a mistake like this supposed mistake. This is just the NHL looking for some way to get to him
Small # of players ,, And one of his own players admited that he didn't disclose full details in memo he sent out "Because it would leak"

So the claim that players aren't being told everything rings true.. Fehr and his minions at meetings are controlling the flow of information to rest of union

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11-09-2012, 07:30 PM
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If it falls apart this time, I'd say that's about it. At least for the fans. 90 percent will have given up. Too much false hope. Too much dangling. If the season is there, reach out for it and get it. If it's not there, stop dangling it by our hands.

Like Brooks said, even the most loyal fans are starting to walk away.

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11-09-2012, 07:31 PM
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NHL is very frustrated by Fehr...they are going after him. The gloves are off now.
Well that's good news. -rolls eyes-

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11-09-2012, 07:43 PM
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It's becoming more and more obvious, the only people who care about the NHL anymore are the fans.

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11-09-2012, 07:57 PM
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It's becoming more and more obvious, the only people who care about the NHL anymore are the fans.
I tend to agree with this. I love the Rangers and hockey. But Bettman, the owners, Fehr and the NHLPA can kiss my white ass.

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11-09-2012, 08:07 PM
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The NHL doesn't know what to do with Fehr. They want Alan Eagleson back.

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11-09-2012, 08:33 PM
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Seemed like we were on the verge of a season just 24 hrs ago... Now it feels like we are on the precipice.

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11-09-2012, 08:47 PM
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The interesting thing is that all the aggressive commentary is coming from the reporters - in most cases without even vague attributions. Meanwhile, neither Bettman nor Fehr was at all inflammatory in their comments. Keep it together, boys - eyes on the prize.

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11-10-2012, 01:51 AM
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I'm done with optimism here. It's hard to support a league that so clearly doesn't care about its fans. Unfortunately my love for the Rangers is too strong but it's going to be very difficult to forgive yet another lockout.

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11-10-2012, 03:57 AM
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Agreed. If this thing becomes all about revenge for 2004-2005, they might as well pack up and go home.
if that happens, i guess it's a matter of you-reap-what-you-sow. the league rubbed the players faces in it last time. no wonder the players have a chip on their collective shoulder. not saying it's the 'right' stance. but had the process been more equitable last time, the nhlpa might not have brought in a home-run hitter like fehr for this one.

anyhow, it's a mickey-mouse league at this point. they can't even get their business up-and-running...rich.

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11-10-2012, 05:47 AM
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Corey Masisak ‏@cmasisak22

Fehr: "Over the last 3 days we've made some agreements on rev. sharing + matters which don't relate to the 2 core economic areas ... (1/3)

(2/3) "player contracting rights + the share area -- to the extent that we were able to make agreements, that is obviously good ...

(3/3): "...but I don't want to suggest that those are the crucial things that are necessary to end the lockout."

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11-10-2012, 06:44 AM
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Fehr is in place because the hardliners want revenge for 04-05 at all cost ,,, Not because they want a deal and to play hockey

NHL is lost for 12-13 and likely 13-14 as Fehr and hardliners have brainwashed the majority of NHLPA into actually thinking they will actually win this fight
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Small # of players ,, And one of his own players admited that he didn't disclose full details in memo he sent out "Because it would leak"

So the claim that players aren't being told everything rings true.. Fehr and his minions at meetings are controlling the flow of information to rest of union
You know less than nothing. Bettman forced a lockout with the first offer. They were ready to deal and continue to deal so your anti union tirade comes off as a temper tantrum. These comments about Fehr makes less sense than even you, probably some jilted writers, or at best typical league spin that gets translated a day later.

We know the lockout is scripted and yet people panic as it follows the script. Relax.

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11-10-2012, 06:44 AM
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I think the media has had nothing to write about and finally got a lot on Friday and since both sides left the meeting seeming unhappy maybe they just took it and ran with it. Both sides have said they want to meet today and I one twitter report by John Shannon (JSportsnet) ["If the NHLPA wants to meet with the NHL on Saturday, the league will not put any pre-conditions for the season. #tickticktick"]

As long as they meet this weekend (Saturday and/or sunday) I am feeling cautiously optimistic.

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11-10-2012, 06:51 AM
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Jim Dolan was part of the NBA owners committee. David Stern has no problems with owners who share different points of view. Gary Bettman is so insecure that he surrounds himself with yes men. He has the enforcer Jeremy Jacobs who is the main reason why the lockout is even happening.

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11-10-2012, 06:56 AM
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Fehr has dealt with far tougher characters than the NHL guys. Fehr handed the MLB owners their lunch in the 94-95 strike.

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11-10-2012, 07:13 AM
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The NHL is a $3.3B business. The players are willing to cut their share. The PA cares more about the lower revenue teams than the high revenue teams care. The players should not give up a year of free agency or arbitration. Bettman made a bad deal in giving up free agency at 7 or 27. That wasn't part of the owners plan in the fall of 2004. It surprised many of the teams. I heard Doug MacLean arguing with Kyper regarding free agency at 7 or 27. MacLean said he was floored when saw free agency was dropping to that level by the 3rd year. He called Bettman to find out if it was true. MacLean was concerned about Rick Nash. Bettman told him you have the player for 7 years and then its up to you. Nash signed a huge contract right after that. Free agency in MLB is after 6 years. Its shorter than that in the NBA. The PA should play ball on the dummy contracts. That's it.

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