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06-30-2013, 06:21 PM
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The sad reality

The Blues are exactly where they were before the rebuild happened. They have a competitive team that should be listed among the contenders and should make the playoffs regularly. They have a strength on defense where they have two point-producing defensemen that other teams would love to have. They get bounced out of the playoffs by the teams around them that just seem to be a bit better equipped for playoff runs, and still in over a decade, haven't been able to find a single goaltender that they can trust.

Now we are back to just sitting back and shaking our heads on draft day. We have come full circle with no Stanley Cups to show for it.

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06-30-2013, 06:23 PM
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Dude chill, our moves will be made later. What if we get Vinny, what if we make another move.

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06-30-2013, 06:26 PM
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Dude chill, our moves will be made later. What if we get Vinny, what if we make another move.
It better be a significant move because even with Vinny, there would still be questions about offensive production and about who will be in goal.

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06-30-2013, 06:28 PM
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It better be a significant move because even with Vinny, there would still be questions about offensive production and about who will be in goal.
How? With Vinny we would have our 60+ point center and we have plenty of candidates for bounce back or breakout seasons. We are fine in net. All 3 of our goalies have played great at times and Elliott played very well in the playoffs. Not much of an issue IMO.

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06-30-2013, 06:32 PM
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How? With Vinny we would have our 60+ point center and we have plenty of candidates for bounce back or breakout seasons. We are fine in net. All 3 of our goalies have played great at times and Elliott played very well in the playoffs. Not much of an issue IMO.
Elliott has not played very well in the playoffs. He has played one good series and 2 games in the playoffs well. He has also been pedestrian at best in the sweep and final 4 losses to the Kings last season. It is along the lines of the old saying, if you have 3 goalies, you don't have one.

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06-30-2013, 06:34 PM
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Hmmm.... I did not see any #1 centers traded today and the 1st rounders looked pretty expensive.... Not really happy with our 1st pick of the day but I have been wrong before. We have a long offseason that just started, give it some time before you go all gloom and doom on us.

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06-30-2013, 06:40 PM
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Except before the rebuild, the Blues were old, constantly traded their picks, had poor drafting and development, and were the most inefficient franchise in professional sports, just absolutely leaking money.

Now they don't have Bill Laurie forcing them to make non-hockey trades and they'll be competitive for a long time, which means they can afford to make the right moves instead of being impulsive. The assumption that there's a move available that will improve the team in the way you want is hopeful, but not based in reality.

I agree that the Blues need to improve, but the rest of what you said is nonsense.

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Why Vinny would pick STL? Remove being a contender from the equation, lots of teams are contenders.

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Why Vinny would pick STL? Remove being a contender from the equation, lots of teams are contenders.
A chance to be the #1 guy in a low pressure environment. And no, not many teams are actually contenders.

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Why Vinny would pick STL? Remove being a contender from the equation, lots of teams are contenders.
They're a pretty young team where he wouldn't have to do it all. They have 6 solid wingers that he could play with, some of them with borderline elite potential.

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A chance to be the #1 guy in a low pressure environment. And no, not many teams are actually contenders.
Outside of some teams like CGY, FLA, TB, NSH, BUF, COL, NJD we won't really know who are or are not contenders till close to the start of the season. I may have missed some teams, but a lot of teams are going to look good going into 13-14.

On a related note, who was the last big Free Agent we signed?

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06-30-2013, 06:53 PM
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Outside of some teams like CGY, FLA, TB, NSH, BUF, COL, NJD we won't really know who are or are not contenders till close to the start of the season. I may have missed some teams, but a lot of teams are going to look good going into 13-14.

On a related note, who was the last big Free Agent we signed?

Paul Kariya?

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Outside of some teams like CGY, FLA, TB, NSH, BUF, COL, NJD we won't really know who are or are not contenders till close to the start of the season. I may have missed some teams, but a lot of teams are going to look good going into 13-14.

On a related note, who was the last big Free Agent we signed?
There is a difference between looking good and being true contenders.

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I wish we could solve our goaltending fiasco soon, but other than that, it's not time to freak out yet.

Today didn't live up to its hype for anyone - and it's always like that for several reasons. It's impossible for all the rumors to actually happen.

What other teams truly made a big impact through trades to make their team contenders? Did anyone make a splash? Bueller?

Chicago traded away two 3rd-liners for crap to clear cap space.
Edmonton hasn't gotten a defenseman yet.
Philadelphia hasn't done anything.
Anaheim hasn't done anything.
Vancouver made a questionable move with Schneider.
Boston hasn't done anything.

There are many more examples. Letang stayed in Pittsburgh, really no big names besides Schneider have moved. There's still time for teams to make moves, and free agency is still approaching.

If you think the Blues roster will look the exact same in September as it does now, you need to get a clue. Again, relax. This thread isn't even close to being necessary. What moves could Armstrong have made? It takes two to tango...You can't just acquire someone to say you did. We found out with Leopold this past trade deadline that maybe sometimes it isn't worth it.

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Except before the rebuild, the Blues were old, constantly traded their picks, had poor drafting and development, and were the most inefficient franchise in professional sports, just absolutely leaking money.

Now they don't have Bill Laurie forcing them to make non-hockey trades and they'll be competitive for a long time, which means they can afford to make the right moves instead of being impulsive. The assumption that there's a move available that will improve the team in the way you want is hopeful, but not based in reality.

I agree that the Blues need to improve, but the rest of what you said is nonsense.
Blues are still leaking money by some reports, haven't had a first round pick in 2 of the past 3 years, and the jury is out on the post-Jarmo drafting.

The Blues had some young talent on the President's Trophy team but moved them along looking for a missing piece that wasn't there. But yes, they are younger which is one plus, but the rest holds true especially the part about still not being able to find a goalie.

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06-30-2013, 06:59 PM
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There is a difference between looking good and being true contenders.
Let's get into semantics. Lets face it, make it to the playoffs and there are 15 other contenders there with you.

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Let's get into a semantics. Lets face it, make it to the playoffs and there are 15 other contenders there with you.
Look at the final 4, those were everyone's final four for the most part. There are only a few other contenders outside of that group.

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Let's get into semantics. Lets face it, make it to the playoffs and there are 15 other contenders there with you.
Did you think San Jose, Detroit, New York Islanders, Montreal, Washington, Minnesota, or Toronto had any realistic shot at the Cup?

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Doug Armstrong aggressively working the phones #stlblues
Oh come on Doug, don't even waste your time. Everyone knows by now that the sad reality is this team is going nowhere.

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Your right, we are done. The blues are a team full of Scott Youngs, Mike Sillingers, and Jason Bacashihua.

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We have so me whiny posters here. What exactly did you think would happen?

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Did you think San Jose, Detroit, New York Islanders, Montreal, Washington, Minnesota, or Toronto had any realistic shot at the Cup?
Did you think LA had a shot in 2012?

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Did you think LA had a shot in 2012?
A lot of people did.

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Did you think LA had a shot in 2012?
After they got Carter, they dominated. They were 8th because they sucked horribly at the start.

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Oh come on Doug, don't even waste your time. Everyone knows by now that the sad reality is this team is going nowhere.
Working the phones got the Blues Zach Pochiro. I feel much better. The Blues at least end the day with a hockey fight punching bag.

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