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Team Defencemen Rankings #5

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Anaheim - Fowler, Beauchemin, Lydman, Souray, Allen, Sbisa 0 0%
Boston - Chara, Seidenberg, Boychuk, Ference, Hamilton, McQuaid 28 40.00%
Buffalo - Myers, Ehrhoff, Sekera, Regehr, Leopold, Sulzer 0 0%
Calgary - Bouwmeester, Giordano, Wideman, Butler, Sarich, Brodie 0 0%
Carolina - Pitkanen, Gleason, Faulk, McBain, Corvo, Harrison 1 1.43%
Chicago - Keith, Seabrook, Leddy, Oduya, Hjalmarsson, Rozsival 4 5.71%
Colorado - E. Johnson, Hejda, Wilson, O'Byrne, O'Brien, Hunwick 0 0%
Columbus - J. Johnson, Tyutin, Wisniewski, Nikitin, Aucoin, Moore 0 0%
Dallas - Robidas, Goligoski, Daley, Larsen, Fistric, Dillon 0 0%
Detroit - Kronwall, White, Ericsson, Quincey, Colaiacovo, Smith 1 1.43%
Edmonton - Smid, Petry, N. Schultz, Whitney, J. Schultz, Sutton 0 0%
Florida - Campbell, Kulikov, Weaver, Kuba, Gudbranson, Jovanovski 0 0%
Minnesota - Suter, Gilbert, Spurgeon, Scandella, Prosser, Falk 0 0%
Montreal - Subban, Gorges, Markov, Emelin, Kaberle, Bouillon 0 0%
Nashville - Weber, Klein, Josi, Gill, Hannan, Ellis 1 1.43%
New Jersey - Salvador, Zidlicky, Greene, Tallinder, Larsson, Volchenkov 1 1.43%
NY Islanders - Streit, Hamonic, MacDonald, Visnovsky, Carkner, Donovan 1 1.43%
Ottawa - Karlsson, Phillips, Methot, Gonchar, Cowen, Lundin 0 0%
Philadelphia - Coburn, Timonen, Grossmann, Meszaros, Schenn, Bourdon 0 0%
Phoenix - Yandle, Ekman-Larsson, Klesla, Michalek, Morris, Schlemko 20 28.57%
Pittsburgh - Letang, Orpik, Martin, Niskanen, Despres, Engelland 0 0%
San Jose - Boyle, Vlasic, Burns, B. Stuart, Demers, Murray 8 11.43%
Tampa Bay - Brewer, Hedman, Carle, Salo, Lee, Bergeron 0 0%
Toronto - Phaneuf, Gunnarsson, Gardiner, Liles, Komisarek, Franson 1 1.43%
Washington - Carlson, Alzner, Green, Hamrlik, Orlov, J. Schultz 2 2.86%
Winnipeg - Enstrom, Bogosian, Byfuglien, Hainsey, M. Stuart, Clitsome 2 2.86%
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01-05-2013, 01:32 AM
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Team Defencemen Rankings #5

#1 - NY Rangers - Girardi, McDonagh, Staal, Del Zotto, Stralman, Bickell
#2 - Los Angeles - Doughty, Mitchell, Scuderi, Voynov, Greene, Martinez
#3 - St. Louis - Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk, Jackman, Polak, Cole, Russell
#4 - Vancouver - Edler, Hamhuis, Bieksa, Garrison, Tanev, Ballard

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wow, that was fast

I think Van should be down a few, but whatever i guess

Boston

then Washington

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I wonder if Vancouver would have won if it was a tiebreaker between them and Boston. Vancouver won the previous poll over Boston by a score of 31-24, just a 7-vote difference out of 97 votes. I wonder who the other 42 people would have voted.

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I don't like Vancouver at 4 either. There's two reasons.

First, Vancouver is the only team chosen so far that plays a high-offence system (unlike NYR, LA, and STL). Look at the teams with art ross winners - Pittsburgh [2 guys], Washington, San Jose, Tampa [Maybe 2 guys soon] and Vancouver [2 guys]. These teams are ALL high-offence systems. Since Vancouver plays an offensive system, it doesn't allow the defense to play defensive hockey. There are a lot of odd man rushes against. A LOT. The only reason Vancouver has been able to maintain such a good 'goals against' for the last couple years is because of Luongo and Schneider, imo.

Second, unlike LA and St Louis and Boston, Vancouver doesn't have a franchise defenseman. That's a big blow.

I think placing Vancouver's defense 4th sells the goalies short. Just my opinion.



As for the poll, I put Boston here for sure.

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I wonder if Vancouver would have won if it was a tiebreaker between them and Boston. Vancouver won the previous poll over Boston by a score of 31-24, just a 7-vote difference out of 97 votes. I wonder who the other 42 people would have voted.
Not-Vancouver would have done pretty well.

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I think it would have been better if I had made a tiebreaker poll between Boston and Vancouver. In the Top LW #14 poll that I ran, the top three were this:

Landeskog - 31
Pacioretty - 21
Brown - 17

58 people did not vote for those three out of 127 votes. Many posters were saying that Landeskog did not deserve to be the winner. I decided to create a tiebreaker with those three players and the results were kind of surprising:

Brown - 35
Pacioretty - 31
Landeskog - 29

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I don't like Vancouver at 4 either. There's two reasons.

First, Vancouver is the only team chosen so far that plays a high-offence system (unlike NYR, LA, and STL). Look at the teams with art ross winners - Pittsburgh [2 guys], Washington, San Jose, Tampa [Maybe 2 guys soon] and Vancouver [2 guys]. These teams are ALL high-offence systems. Since Vancouver plays an offensive system, it doesn't allow the defense to play defensive hockey. There are a lot of odd man rushes against. A LOT. The only reason Vancouver has been able to maintain such a good 'goals against' for the last couple years is because of Luongo and Schneider, imo.

Second, unlike LA and St Louis and Boston, Vancouver doesn't have a franchise defenseman. That's a big blow.

I think placing Vancouver's defense 4th sells the goalies short. Just my opinion.



As for the poll, I put Boston here for sure.
Remember that we do have Garrison instead of Salo, though. While I don't think JG is supposed to be that much of an upgrade, Salo really didn't look good at all with Edler last season and was very slow overall. We'll miss his brains, but not his slow feet.

The Canucks have been pretty unlucky with injuries in the blue line in the last couple of seasons too so most of the time the players on the ice are significantly different from the ones that are on the paper.

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As much as I love Yandle and OEL, Phoenix is being overrated.

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I don't like Vancouver at 4 either. There's two reasons.

First, Vancouver is the only team chosen so far that plays a high-offence system (unlike NYR, LA, and STL). Look at the teams with art ross winners - Pittsburgh [2 guys], Washington, San Jose, Tampa [Maybe 2 guys soon] and Vancouver [2 guys]. These teams are ALL high-offence systems. Since Vancouver plays an offensive system, it doesn't allow the defense to play defensive hockey. There are a lot of odd man rushes against. A LOT. The only reason Vancouver has been able to maintain such a good 'goals against' for the last couple years is because of Luongo and Schneider, imo.

Second, unlike LA and St Louis and Boston, Vancouver doesn't have a franchise defenseman. That's a big blow.

I think placing Vancouver's defense 4th sells the goalies short. Just my opinion.



As for the poll, I put Boston here for sure.


I like how when it's convenient, Luongo is the "only" reason the Canucks don't allow a lot of goals, but at all other times, he's regarded as having less value than a 1st round draft pick.

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I don't like Vancouver at 4 either. There's two reasons.

First, Vancouver is the only team chosen so far that plays a high-offence system (unlike NYR, LA, and STL). Look at the teams with art ross winners - Pittsburgh [2 guys], Washington, San Jose, Tampa [Maybe 2 guys soon] and Vancouver [2 guys]. These teams are ALL high-offence systems. Since Vancouver plays an offensive system, it doesn't allow the defense to play defensive hockey. There are a lot of odd man rushes against. A LOT. The only reason Vancouver has been able to maintain such a good 'goals against' for the last couple years is because of Luongo and Schneider, imo.

Second, unlike LA and St Louis and Boston, Vancouver doesn't have a franchise defenseman. That's a big blow.

I think placing Vancouver's defense 4th sells the goalies short. Just my opinion.



As for the poll, I put Boston here for sure.
The poll says defensemen, not defense. And our defense's offensive game is arguably best in the league. Overall I think we are where we should be. If it was just defensive ability, I'd likely drop us 5-7 spots lower.

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Phoenix, again. Kind of surprised Boston is leading this one.

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Visnovsky and Streit.

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San Jose

Boston was 9th in the NHL in 5 v 5 GA/G last year - even Florida was better as was Phoenix, San Jose, Detroit and all the teams already selected.

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Remember that we do have Garrison instead of Salo, though. While I don't think JG is supposed to be that much of an upgrade, Salo really didn't look good at all with Edler last season and was very slow overall. We'll miss his brains, but not his slow feet.

The Canucks have been pretty unlucky with injuries in the blue line in the last couple of seasons too so most of the time the players on the ice are significantly different from the ones that are on the paper.
These are all good points, I agree with them all. And I think Garrison can be a big improvement from last-year-Salo. Maybe I'm being to critical, or like someone else mentioned, puting too much weight into the system they play. Because on paper, I really like

Hamhuis Bieksa
Edler Garrison
Ballard Tanev

I just don't think they shut down the other teams in the way that Boston's defence or LA's defence does.

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I like how when it's convenient, Luongo is the "only" reason the Canucks don't allow a lot of goals, but at all other times, he's regarded as having less value than a 1st round draft pick.
Anyone who has watched Luongo a bit and knows anything about what they're talking about recognizes that Luongo is phenominal. The problem is, only a small fraction of people fall into this category.

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These are all good points, I agree with them all. And I think Garrison can be a big improvement from last-year-Salo. Maybe I'm being to critical, or like someone else mentioned, puting too much weight into the system they play. Because on paper, I really like

Hamhuis Bieksa
Edler Garrison
Ballard Tanev

I just don't think they shut down the other teams in the way that Boston's defence or LA's defence does.
If one was to use goals against as a measure of shutting down the competition, Vancouver is very comparable to Boston. LA is far better than either.

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St. Louis.

Definitely one of the more dominant defense in the league

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