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Jonas Brodin vs Mathew Dumba

View Poll Results: Better man in the NHL?
Brodin will be the better NHL'r 100 76.34%
Dumba will be the better NHL'r 31 23.66%
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11-06-2012, 03:12 PM
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Or a goal scorer. We haven't had a goal-scorer in years.

IMO, the future is both prospects and young pros, so I don't think we should eliminate guys like Scandella, Spurgeon and Falk, when talking about the Wild's future defense.

So we have top four d-men in Jonas Brodin, Matt Dumba, Marco Scandella, and Jared Spurgeon, and we got depth players in Steven Kampfer, Justin Falk, Tyler Cuma, John Draeger, Nick Seeler and Daniel Gunnarsson.

I would not say we are the best at defense, but most certainly not thin. What we are thin is at goal-scoring. We got powerforwards, playmakers, depth players etc.
I think another high end D prospect would be great, but if a goal score is there at our pick we have to take him..

Erne or Duclair would be great...

Gauthier would be awesome...

None are exactly goal scorers, but they can score.

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I think another high end D prospect would be great, but if a goal score is there at our pick we have to take him..

Erne or Duclair would be great...

Gauthier would be awesome...

None are exactly goal scorers, but they can score.
I'm more for Mantha or Lazar if we have a 10-15 pick. Erne and Gauthier are solid all-round forwards but we have those already in Larsson, Coyle etc.

I really want a guy with a deadly shot and Mantha and Lazar, from reports, can do it.

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11-06-2012, 05:26 PM
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Brodin for more potential and safer.

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11-06-2012, 10:07 PM
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Why do you say that?
He's pissed because Anaheim didn't take him when they had the chance.

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11-07-2012, 06:14 AM
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Wild dropped the ball on drafting Dumba, he is not going to be all that at the next level.

Brodin for me, his skating, his smarts, his vision, Brodin seems to me the guy who you build your D around, the guy who you send out to make the opposing top line ineffective. he has quite a bit of offensive potential too him too.

Its a damn shame that Tor and ANA had to pee on our draft by taking two guys who i feel MN was salivating over

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11-07-2012, 09:49 AM
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So sounds like Brodin is out 2-3 months with surgery following his broken collarbone.

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11-07-2012, 12:13 PM
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I'm more for Mantha or Lazar if we have a 10-15 pick. Erne and Gauthier are solid all-round forwards but we have those already in Larsson, Coyle etc.

I really want a guy with a deadly shot and Mantha and Lazar, from reports, can do it.
Manta's our guy... Lazar's an all around player...

Duclair is a PF who can do it all.

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11-07-2012, 02:03 PM
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Dumba is better offensively and while he's a little smaller than Brodin, I'd much rather chase a puck into Brodin's corner than Dumba's.

You have to think that Dumba's positional play and decision making will improve with maturity. I like the odds of that happening a lot better than Brodin finding a nose for the net and/or a mean streak.

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11-07-2012, 02:50 PM
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I think that Brodin is a more complete Dman than Dumba for the moment. BUT, Dumba has more potential imo.

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Manta's our guy... Lazar's an all around player...

Duclair is a PF who can do it all.
Yes, but also with a great shot and ability to score, so its like best of both worlds a two-in-one package.

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Yes, but also with a great shot and ability to score, so its like best of both worlds a two-in-one package.
He's not a goal scorer, he can score yes but he's another Koivu.. He doesn't dominate offensively...

Actually he's more of a Jeff Carter but with less offensive upside...

Also to the OP, The Wild really like Dumba, apparently Lindholm would of made them think twice, Reinhart too..

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He's not a goal scorer, he can score yes but he's another Koivu.. He doesn't dominate offensively...

Actually he's more of a Jeff Carter but with less offensive upside...

Also to the OP, The Wild really like Dumba, apparently Lindholm would of made them think twice, Reinhart too..
I've heard people say that about Lindholm but can never find anyone who can source it. Any idea where you heard it from?

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I've heard people say that about Lindholm but can never find anyone who can source it. Any idea where you heard it from?
I've read it on a few forums and newspapers... Prospect sites etc.

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He's not a goal scorer, he can score yes but he's another Koivu.. He doesn't dominate offensively...

Actually he's more of a Jeff Carter but with less offensive upside...

Also to the OP, The Wild really like Dumba, apparently Lindholm would of made them think twice, Reinhart too..
I think you are oversimplying things. Just because a player can play both ends of the ice, doesn't mean he can't be a "goal-scorer" as well.

I have yet to see him because Oil Kings don't visit Vancouver very often...but just based on reports, he's a two-way forward that can score.

People say he has a great release and a great nose for the net. If he turns out to be a Koivu or Carter type of forward that doesn't dominate offensively but can be a great partner in crime with Mikael Granlund, then that is exactly what I want. I want a prospect that will compliment Granlund. A passer with a shooter.

But to the OT as well, Brodin over Dumba. Brodin's upside is just as high, and he is alot safer. Dumba is a great prospect but is a risky one.

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Dumba is better offensively and while he's a little smaller than Brodin, I'd much rather chase a puck into Brodin's corner than Dumba's.

You have to think that Dumba's positional play and decision making will improve with maturity. I like the odds of that happening a lot better than Brodin finding a nose for the net and/or a mean streak.
Dumba's positional play and decision making in his own end will have to skyrocket to start being in the same area where Brodin is now, it will be short of a miracle if dumba can ever match that to Brodin.

and no, you would not rather chase a puck in Brodin's corner, he's a better skater, sees the ice better, makes better decisions. you will have a higher chance of causing a turn over by attacking dumba then Brodin, a significantly higher chance.

also mean streak is not needed in a number 1 dman, Lidstrom never had a mean streak did he? when was the last time you saw him rushing end to end on his own like a badass? or just destroying people like some machine? no he just outsmarted you and made plays that kept putting pressure on the opposing team.

Now i'm not saying Brodin is on Lidstroms level, but they play damn near the same style of game, world class skater who has superb sense, positioning and decision making.

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I was expecting more fro Dumba this year. Am I the only one?

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I was expecting more fro Dumba this year. Am I the only one?
Red Deer as a team has been pretty sub-par so that would explain some of it.

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