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Mathletic's Top 210 Prospects for the 2013 NHL Draft (Q1) + Mock Draft

Now that we're about a quarter of the way into the season in most leagues, I thought I'd post an update of my rankings. Note that no High School nor Canadian Junior A players have been included in the list. I'll have to work a bit more on them. They'll likely be included in my next rankings.

There may be a few players missing. I haven't gone through the list of all available players, so, a missing player may not indicate that I don't like him.

Also, all my rankings are based on stats and hard data, so no subjectivity on my part.

Feel free to make comments or ask any questions you like. Remember, this is all done in good fun, nothing serious on my part.

In this thread here is who I think will become the better players, not where I think they'll get drafted.

Mock Draft: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...1#post55547081


Round 1

1 - Nathan MacKinnon, C, Halifax Mooseheads, LHJMQ
2 - Aleksander Barkov, C, Tappara, SM-Liiga
3 - Sean Monahan, C, Ottawa 67's OHL
4 - Jonathan Drouin, LW, Halifax Mooseheads, LHJMQ
5 - Seth Jones, D, Portland Winerhawks, WHL
6 - Adam Erne, RW, Québec Remparts, LHJMQ
7 - Anthony Duclair, LW, Québec Remparts, LHJMQ
8 - Hunter Shinkaruk, LW, Medicine Hat Tigers, WHL
9 - Ryan Pulock, D, Brandon Wheat Kings, WHL
10 - Max Domi, C, London Knights, OHL
11 - Elias Lindholm, C, Brynäs IF, Elitserien, Sweden
12 - Anthony Mantha, RW, Val d'Or Foreurs, LHJMQ
13 - Josh Morrissey, D, Prince Albert Raiders, WHL
14 - Curtis Lazar, C, Edmonton Oil Kings, WHL
15 - Jason Dickinson, LW, Guelph Storm, OHL
16 - Chris Bigras, D, Owen Sound Attack, OHL
17 - Marc-Olivier Roy, RW, Blainville-Boisbriand Armada, LHJMQ
18 - Frédérik Gauthier, C, Rimouski Océanic, LHJMQ
19 - Kerby Rychel, LW, Windsor Spitfires, OHL
20 - Gustav Possler, RW, MODO Hockey, SuperElit, Sweden
21 - Pavel Buchnevich, C/W, Almaz Cherepovets, MHL, Russia
22 - Ian McCoshen, D, Waterloo Black Hawks, USHL
23 - Jordan Subban, D, Belleville Bulls, OHL
24 - Artturi Lehkonen, RW, KalPa, SM-Liiga, Finland
25 - Jackson Houck, RW, Vancouver Giants, WHL
26 - Nick Sørensen, RW, Québec Remparts, LHJMQ
27 - Robert Hägg, D, MODO Hockey, SuperElit, Sweden
28 - Ryan Hartman, F, Plymouth Whalers, OHL
29 - J.T. Compher, F, USA NTDP
30 - Darnell Nurse, D, Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds, OHL

Round 2

31 - Marko Dano, C, HC Slovan Bratislava, KHL, Russia
32 - Zachary Fucale, G, Halifax Mooseheads, LHJMQ
33 - Marcus Högberg, G, Linköpings HC, SuperElit
34 - André Burakovsky, C, IF Malmö Redhawks, SuperElit, Sweden
35 - Janne Juvonen, G, Pelicans, SM-Liiga, Finland
36 - Hudson Fasching, F, USA NTDP
37 - Tyler Motte, F, USA NTDP
38 - Jesse Lees, D, Kelowna Rockets, WHL
39 - Madison Bowey, D, Kelowna Rockets, WHL
40 - Morgan Klimchuk, C, Regina Pats, WHL
41 - Spencer Martin, G, Mississauga Steelheads, OHL
42 - Juuso Ikonen, C, Espoo Blues, SM-liiga, Finland
43 - Michael Downing, D, Dubuque Fighting Saints, USHL
44 - Rasmus Ristolainen, D, TPS, SM-Liiga, Finland
45 - Shea Theodore, D, Seattle Thunderbirds, WHL
46 - Nikita Zadorov, D, London Knights, OHL
47 - Eric Comrie, G, Tri-City Americans, WHL
48 - Ryan Kujawinski, C, Kingston Frontenacs, OHL
49 - Taylor Cammarata, F, Waterloo Black Hawks, USHL
50 - Justin Bailey, C, Kitchener Rangers, OHL
51 - William Carrier, LW, Cape Breton Screaming Eagles, LHJMQ
52 - Valentin Zykov, RW, Baie-Comeau Drakkar, LHJMQ
53 - Lucas Wallmark, C, Skellefteå AIK, SuperElit, Sweden
54 - Gabe Guertler, F, Fargo Force, USHL
55 - Bogdan Yakimov, C, Dizel Penza, VHL, Russia
56 - Eric Roy, D, Brandon Wheat Kings, WHL
57 - Valeri Nichushkin, F, Chelmet Chelyabinsk, VHL, Russia
58 - Linus Arnesson, D, Djurgårdens IF, SuperElit, Sweden
59 - Nicolas Petan, C, Portland Winterhawks, WHL
60 - Dominik Kahun, LW, Sudbury Wolves, OHL

Round 3

61 - Gabryel Paquin-Boudreau, LW, Baie-Comeau Drakkar, LHJMQ
62 - Laurent Dauphin, C, Chicoutimi Saguenéens, LHJMQ
63 - Alex Forsberg, C, Prince George Cougars, WHL
64 - Greg Chase, C, Calgary Hitmen, WHL
65 - Tyler King, D, Spokane Chiefs, WHL
66 - Dillon Heatherington, D, Swift Current Broncos, WHL
67 - Matt Murphy, D, Val-d'Or Foreurs, LHJMQ
68 - Mirco Müller, D, Everett Silvertips, WHL
69 - Chris Carlisle, D, Oshawa Generals, OHL
70 - Jason Fram, D, Spokane Chiefs, WHL
71 - Jan Kostalek, D , Rimouski Océanic, LHJMQ
72 - Bo Horvat, LW, London Knights, OHL
73 - Alexander Roos, C, Chicago Steel, USHL
74 - Martin Reway, LW, Gatineau Olympiques, LHJMQ
75 - Hunter Garlent, C, Guelph Storm, OHL
76 - Arvid Lundberg, D, Skellefteå, SuperElit, Sweden
77 - Sergey Tolchinsky, RW, Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds, OHL
78 - Oliver Bjorkstrand, RW, Portland Winterhawks, WHL
79 - Nikolas Brouillard, D, Drummondville Voltigeurs, LHJMQ
80 - Stephen Harper, LW, Erie Otters, OHL
81 - Philippe Desrosiers, G, Rimouski Océaniques, LHJMQ
82 - Michael Brodzinski, D, Muskegon Lumberjacks, USHL
83 - Blake Heinrich, D. Sioux City Musketeers, USHL
84 - Tommy Stenqvist, D, Timrå IK, SuperElit, Sweden
85 - Santeri Saari, D, Jokerit Helsinki, Jr A SM-liiga, Finland
86 - John Hayden, F, USA NTDP
87 - Jacob de la Rose, F, Leksand, SuperElit, Sweden
88 - Eamon McAdam, G, Waterloo Black Hawks, USHL
89 - Viktor Crus Rydberg, C, Linköpings, SuperElit, Sweden
90 - Vincent Dunn, C, Val d'Or Foreurs, LHJMQ

Round 4

91 - Émile Poirier, LW, Gatineau Olympiques, LHJMQ
92 - Mathieu Lemay, RW, Rouyn-Noranda Huskies, LHJMQ
93 - Tristan Jarry, G, Edmonton Oil Kings, WHL
94 - Sergey Kuptsov, RW, Belleville Bulls, OHL
95 - Kurt Etchegary, C, Québec Remparts, LHJMQ
96 - Beau McCue, RW, Tri-City Americans, WHL
97 - Connor Rankin, C, Tri-City Americans, WHL
98 - Zach Nastasiuk, RW, Owen Sound Attack, OHL
99 - Daniel Nikandrov, C, Sarnia Sting, OHL
100 - Brody Silk, LW, Sudbury Wolves, OHL
101 - Anthony DeLuca, LW, Rimouski Océanic, LHJMQ
102 - Kyle Burroughs, D, Regina Pats, WHL
103 - Oskari Siiki, LW, TPS, Jr A SM-liiga, Finland
104 - Kohl Bauml, C, Everett Silvertips, WHL
105 - Ivan Bocharov, G, HC MVD, MHL, Russia
106 - Spenser Jensen, D, Medicine Hat Tigers, WHL
107 - Macoy Erkamps, D, Lethbridge Hurricanes, WHL
108 - Jared Gilbert, D, Kitchener Rangers, OHL
109 - Kevin Lankinen, G, Jokerit, Junior A SM-Liiga, Finland
110 - Jerret Smith, D, Seattle Thunderbirds, WHL
111 - Mason Geertsen, D, Vancouver Giants, WHL
112 - Samuel Morin, D, Rimouski Océaniques, LHJMQ
113 - Aaron Hoyles, D, Blainville-Boisbriand Armada, LHJMQ
114 - Ryan Graves, D, Prince Edward Island Rocket, LHJMQ
115 - Matt Needham, C, Kamloops Blazers, WHL
116 - Jérémy Grégoire, C, Chicoutimi Saguenéens, LHJMQ
117 - Anthony Louis, F, USA NTDP
118 - Trevor Moore, F, Tri-City Storm, USHL
119 - Keaton Thompson, D , USA NTDP
120 - Charlie Graham, G, Belleville Bulls, OHL

Round 5

121 - Austin Lotz, G, Everett Silvertips, WHL
122 - Andrei Filonenko, G, CSKA-Krasnaja Armija Moskva, MHL, Russia
123 - Luke Johnson, F, Lincoln Stars, USHL
124 - Alex Fotinos, G, Barrie Colts, OHL
125 - Adam Helewka, LW, Spokane Chiefs, WHL
126 - Tim McGauley, C, Brandon Wheat Kings, WHL
127 - Jay Merkley, C, Lethbridge Hurricanes, WHL
128 - Jamal Watson, RW, Lethbridge Hurricanes, WHL
129 - Brett Roulston, LW, Prince George Cougars, WHL
130 - Craig Leverton, LW, Lethbridge Hurricanes, WHL
131 - Justin Spagrud, LW, Swift Current Broncos, WHL
132 - Ville Husso, G, HIFK, Junior A SM-Liiga, Finland
133 - Oliver Cooper, LW, Saint John Sea Dogs, LHJMQ
134 - Stephen Nosad, RW, Peterborough Petes, OHL
135 - Ilya Sorokin, G, Kuznetskie Medvedi, MHL, Russia
136 - Alexandre Bélanger, Rouyn-Noranda Huskies, LHJMQ
137 - Cory Millette, LW, Red Deer Rebels, WHL
138 - Dominik Kubalík, LW, Sudbury Wolves, OHL
139 - Nicholas Baptiste, RW, Sudbury Wolves, OHL
140 - Remi Elie, LW, London Knights, OHL
141 - Josh Burnside, LW, Mississauga Steelheads, OHL
142 - Carter Hansen, RW, Moose Jaw Warriors, WHL
143 - Atte Tolvanen, G, Ässät, Junior A SM-Liiga, Finland
144 - Chase Witala, LW, Prince George Cougars, WHL
145 - Jordan Tkatch, C, Prince George Cougars, WHL
146 - Evan Allen, F, USA NTDP
147 - Joonas Lyytinen, D, KalPa, Jr A SM-liiga, Finland
148 - Philippe Sanche, C, Blainville-Boisbriand Armada, LHJMQ
149 - Philippe Cadorette, G, Baie-Comeau Drakkar, LHJMQ
150 - Frederik Tiffels, LW, Muskegon Lumberjacks, USHL

Round 6

151 - Andreas Johnson, RW, Frölunda HC, SuperElit, Sweden
152 - Andreas Wingren, RW, Rögle, SuperElit, Sweden
153 - Markus Søberg, RW, Frölunda HC, SuperElit, Sweden
154 - Jesper Frödén, RW, Huddinge IK, SuperElit, Sweden
155 - Anton Lindholm, D, Skellefteå AIK, SuperElit, Sweden
156 - Anton Cederholm, D, Rögle BK, SuperElit, Sweden
157 - Will Butcher, D, USA NTDP
158 - Rinat Valiyev, D, Indiana Ice, USHL
159 - Jordan Gross, D, Green Bay Gamblers, USHL
160 - Cory Genovese, D, Kitchener Rangers, OHL
161 - Carl Tremblay, D, Chicoutimi Saguenéens, LHJMQ
162 - Jacob Sweeney, D, Moncton Wildcats, LHJMQ
163 - Erlend Lesund, D, Timrå IK, SuperElit, Sweden
164 - Zack Pittman, D, Lincoln Stars, USHL
165 - Gustav Olofsson, D, Green Bay Gamblers, USHL
166 - Scott Savage, D, USA NTDP
167 - Steve Santini, D, USA NTDP
168 - Simon Boudreau, D, Rimouski Océaniques, LHJMQ
169 - Guillaume Rioux-Legault, D, Val-d'Or Foreurs, LHJMQ
170 - Justin Guénette, D, Rouyn-Noranda Huskies, LHJMQ
171 - Kayle Doetzel, D, Red Deer Rebels, WHL
172 - Kevin Pochuk, D, Red Deer Rebels, WHL
173 - Domenic Graham, G, Drummondville Voltigeurs, LHJMQ
174 - Robin Söderqvist, C, Frölunda HC, SuperElit, Sweden
175 - Thomas Ebbing, C, Chicago Steel, USHL
176 - Matthew Weis, C, Green Bay Gamblers, USHL
177 - Arttu Likola, F, JYP, Junior A SM-Liiga, Finland
178 - Otto Rauhala, F, Tappara Tampere, Jr A SM-liiga, Finland
179 - Nick Betz, RW, Erie Otters, OHL
180 - Erik Bradford, C, Barrie Colts, OHL

Round 7

181 - Axel Blomqvist, RW, Lethbridge Hurricanes, WHL
182 - Andrew Johnson, C, Moose Jaw Warriors, WHL
183 - Brett Stovin, RW, Saskatoon Blades, WHL
184 - Colby Cave, C, Swift Current Broncos, WHL
185 - Tye Hand, D, Regina Pats, WHL
186 - Colby Williams, D, Regina Pats, WHL
187 - Ben Harpur, D, Guelph Storm, OHL
188 - Wil Tomchuk, D, Tri-City Americans, WHL
189 - Kolton Dixon, D, Victoria Royals, WHL
190 - Jonathan Diaby, Victoriaville Tigres, LHJMQ
191 - Ayrton Nikkel, D, Brandon Wheat Kings, WHL
192 - Danny Vanderwiel, Plymouth Whalers, OHL
193 - Nick Moutrey, RW, Saginaw Spirit, OHL
194 - Bronson Beaton, C, Cape Breton Screaming Eagles, LHJMQ
195 - Cole Cassels, C, Oshawa Generals, OHL
196 - Presten Kopeck, C, Portland Winterhawks, WHL
197 - Patrik Zdrahal, RW, Acadie-Bathrust Titan, LHJMQ
198 - Yan Pavel Laplante, C, Prince Edward Island Rocket, LHJMQ
199 - Matt Bellerive, RW, Red Deer Rebels, WHL
200 - Raphaël Lafontaine, LW, Acadie-Bathrust Titan, LHJMQ
201 - Brandon Shea, C, Québec Remparts, LHJMQ
202 - Henri Keskilohko, F, Ässät, Junior A SM-Liiga, Finland
203 - Jarno Kärki, F, Ässät, Junior A SM-Liiga, Finland
204 - Tony Calderone, RW, Sioux Falls Stampede, USHL
205 - Janne Puhakka, RW, Blues, Jr A SM-liiga, Finland
206 - Jonatan Tanus, LW, Tappara Tampere, Jr A SM-liiga, Finland
207 - Aleksi Ainali, C, HIFK, Jr A SM-liiga, Finland
208 - Alexander Wennberg, C, Djurgårdens, SuperElit, Sweden
209 - Ville Huhta, F, HPK, Jr A SM-liiga, Finland
210 - Eetu Koivistoinen, C, Blues, Jr A SM-liiga, Finland


Players I will add in my next rankings. I still need more data on those guys.

Others

X - Tyler Hill, F, Muskegon Lumberjacks, USHL
X - Connor Hurley, F, Muskegon Lumberjacks, USHL
X - Tomáš Török, LW, Drummondville Voltigeurs, LHJMQ
X - Peter Cehlarik, LW, Luleå HF, SuperElit, Sweden

X - Nick Zottl, D, Mississauga Steelheads, OHL
X - Taylor Davis, D, Ottawa 67's, OHL
X - Clint Filbrandt, D, Tri-City Americans, WHL

X - Jordan DeKort, G, Windsor Spitfires, OHL
X - Brodie Barrick, G, Sarnia Sting, OHL
X - Landon Bow, G, Swift Current Broncos, WHL
X - Coleman Vollrath, G, Victoria Roayls, WHL


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3 centers at the top...Leafs will get the fourth pick

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Not crazy about Carrier, eh?

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Not crazy about Carrier, eh?
Not my favorite player of the draft. I have him as a similar player to Bussière last year. A player who is in his 3rd CHL season has the upper-hand on most other prospects.

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3 centers at the top...Leafs will get the fourth pick
I wouldn't complain about Drouin haha, regardless of his position

Also, why is Ristolainen so low on your list? Just curious

That said you did a hell of a job man.. No way I could do a full 7 rounds, let alone the first round haha..I appreciate the insight


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Ristolainen in the 2nd round ? Horvat in the 3rd ?

All for fun, I understand, anyway, the draft is still far, you might be right, although Risto will most probably go top 15...

Good effort, thanks !

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Good work on this.

I'm curious to your reasoning of having Nikandrov over Cassels and Moutrey. Also why is Jimmy Lodge not included?

It's nice to see Ryan Hartman that high, he's a very good player.

EDIT: Shouldn't have jumped to the rankings. I see now that its based on stats. Sorry for my ignorance.


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Man, I wish Ristolainen would fall enough for the Canucks to take him.

Does your data factor in ice time and quality of linemates as well?

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How exactly do stats have Raphael Lafontaine so low? A few other Q decisions make me think that there has to be some subjectivity in there...

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I'd love to hear your opinion on Ristolainen and why he's so low?

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Drouin is naturally a centre. Plays LW due to Nate and IMO may end up better. Unreal hockey sence and IQ, fancy player. He's not as fast as Nate, Nates skating is unreal but his smarts is amazing. Great passer and I wish we could find some way to get 2 top 5 picks and grab both. They compliment each other well.

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Mason Geertsen? I have heard rumblings he could be a top 75 pick

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I wouldn't complain about Drouin haha, regardless of his position

Also, why is Ristolainen so low on your list? Just curious

That said you did a hell of a job man.. No way I could do a full 7 rounds, let alone the first round haha..I appreciate the insight
Thanks!

I don't think Ristolainen has been that dominant in Finland. He sure is a good player, no doubt about that but I'm not sure he's a high end guy. I could compare him to Olli Määttä. Both are about the same age. Määttä was one of the younger player of the 2012 draft whereas Ristolainen is among the older this year. Head-to-head Määttä compared much better than Ristolainen as far as I'm concerned. In fact, Ristolainen compares in many ways to Pokka who was a 2nd round pick last year.

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Ristolainen in the 2nd round ? Horvat in the 3rd ?

All for fun, I understand, anyway, the draft is still far, you might be right, although Risto will most probably go top 15...

Good effort, thanks !
Although there are many qualities to Horvat's game, I'm not sure he's a high end guy. By HF's rating he'd be a 6.5A or 7B kinda guy. Very likely to play in the NHL. Not sure about the offense at this point in time.

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Good work on this.

I'm curious to your reasoning of having Nikandrov over Cassels and Moutrey. Also why is Jimmy Lodge not included?

It's nice to see Ryan Hartman that high, he's a very good player.

EDIT: Shouldn't have jumped to the rankings. I see now that its based on stats. Sorry for my ignorance.
I'd compare Cassels to Félix Girard last year. Both very useful players, especially in the defensive part of the game, not sure that they're good enough offensively to make it to the next level.

I'm surprised as well that most people have Hartman falling in their rankings. I think he's having a fine year for Plymouth.

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Man, I wish Ristolainen would fall enough for the Canucks to take him.

Does your data factor in ice time and quality of linemates as well?
I use equations that approximate ice time as for most leagues, that data isn't available. It's not perfect, but it gives a good idea nonetheless.

At this point I'm factoring team quality in a players' stats not so much the exact linemates per say yet. I'm working on it but I'm not done yet.

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How exactly do stats have Raphael Lafontaine so low? A few other Q decisions make me think that there has to be some subjectivity in there...
Raphael Lafontaine is a 3rd year player who had done little up until this year. This sort of profile doesn't project well to the NHL in general.

As for the subjectivity. I think you may question the actual capacity of my model to predict players' success but there's no doubt that it's an objective model. There's more variables that come into play than just goals and assists. So, it's not because a player has scored more goals than he'll be ahead of another player. Also, I try to verbalize it as much as possible. So, even if I add qualitative comments, the results themselves are objective and based on hard data.

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I'd love to hear your opinion on Ristolainen and why he's so low?
I answered a bit earlier in the post.

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Mason Geertsen? I have heard rumblings he could be a top 75 pick
Well there's not that much of a gap between 75 and 111. At this point, a good month could move a player several spots or vice versa.

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Tyler Bertuzzi doesn't garner a late round pick? You think he would based on name value alone.

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A lot of work, well done. As a Wheat Ling watcher, I'd put Nikkel ahead of McGauley by far, I still say Nikkel goes a lot higher than all the pundits on HF think, his compete level and leadership will have him drafted in a good spot

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A lot of work, well done. As a Wheat Ling watcher, I'd put Nikkel ahead of McGauley by far, I still say Nikkel goes a lot higher than all the pundits on HF think, his compete level and leadership will have him drafted in a good spot
thanks!

I always hear good things about Nikkel but it doesn't seem to translate on paper. I'm not pretending that stats are the end of it all. I'd like to hear what you think of him in general and who you think he comapres to at this point.

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This is the lowest I've ever seen Seth Jones.

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Ristolainen in the 2nd round ? Horvat in the 3rd ?

All for fun, I understand, anyway, the draft is still far, you might be right, although Risto will most probably go top 15...

Good effort, thanks !
Yeah, that's the first thing I noticed too. Great list though.

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Really like you work. Although I'm aware that it could be a strong draft for the Q, I'm quite surprised to see some guys like Roy, Gauthier and Mantha going so high. I do realize this is based on stats, but it's pretty interesting to see the Q being on top

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This is the lowest I've ever seen Seth Jones.
yeah and this is in no way to say that Seth Jones is a bust or whatever. Kid will be a solid NHLer for quite some time. I'll re-post what I wrote in the mock draft section.

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The way I understand the game is that good forwards have a greater impact on the game than good d-men. In a sense yes it comes down a bit to points. Although the defensive part of the game is huge. In fact, I do think d-men in general play a greater role in the game. I just don't think there's that big of a gap between great, good and average d-men that there is for forwards. The very good forwards are more valuable than the very good d-men roughly speaking.

Top forwards in general are very high picks when there's a lot of solid d-men who can be had for a lot less. For example, among this group of leading forwards in the NHL

Malkin, Stamkos, Neal, Giroux, Spezza, Kessel, Crosby, Gaborik, Kovalchuk, Ovechkin, Eberle, Hossa

most were very high picks, whereas

Hamhuis, McDonagh, Mitchell, Pietrangelo, Weber, Girardi, Chara, Suter, Gorges, Boyle, Shattenkirk, White, Vlasic, Garrison

were affordable at one point in their career.

Also, the difference between the top forward and the 30th forward in the league is much greater than it is between the top and 30th d-man IMO.

This doesn't mean you shouldn't draft d-men and whatnot. It's just that, in Toronto's case for example, they already have some solid d-men coming up. Whereas their group of forward is suspect. I think they'd be better off swinging for a homerun with a kid like Barkov, Drouin or Monahan than a safe pick like Jones.


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Really like you work. Although I'm aware that it could be a strong draft for the Q, I'm quite surprised to see some guys like Roy, Gauthier and Mantha going so high. I do realize this is based on stats, but it's pretty interesting to see the Q being on top
Obviously, since this is an objective ranking, I'm leaving my own peronal biases aside. That said, I'm a big Q fan obviously. Big fan of the Remparts and really happy that the Q should have a very strong crop this year ... unlike next year, at least, what it's shaping up to, should be better in 2 years though ... but hey, I'll take a solid draft when it comes. I defended the league and the players a few times. Although all evidence is there to show that the OHL, especially, is a stronger league. The difference between the 3 leagues is vaslty overblown by some.

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I completely agree. Dmen carry more risk and have less impact and typically develop slower. The top 4-5 this year looks really strong. Might be like 2006

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Drouin is naturally a centre. Plays LW due to Nate and IMO may end up better. Unreal hockey sence and IQ, fancy player. He's not as fast as Nate, Nates skating is unreal but his smarts is amazing. Great passer and I wish we could find some way to get 2 top 5 picks and grab both. They compliment each other well.
Drouin's never played center before, people just think he'll do well there...

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Have you adjusted your calculations over the past few years? Based on what you've been able to successfully/unsuccessfully been able to project.

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Nichushkin that low? Zadarov 46? Care to explain, thanks

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Whoever gets Carrier at 51 is the luckiest/smartest team in the league. That's like drafting Radek Faksa in the middle of the second round. Seriously...does anyone watch this kid?

Didn't even notice how low Ristolainen, Zadorov, Burakovsky, and Nicushkin are...

lol. Best thing about this thread is seeing 210 eligible prospects in one place.

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