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11-06-2012, 11:39 PM
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Is Sam Gagner a bust to this point, for example? Brian Little? Because to me that is what I expect a player like Strome to become even if he doesn't develop into a high-end player. Not absolute worst case scenario, but I don't think it is likely at all that he ends up worse than those two. And I absolutely do not consider that to be a bust.
If a prospect turns into a top 6 player than I never consider them a bust, unless its a first overall type who barely becomes a 20 goal scorer.

However in most cases if a guy becomes a useful NHLer I dont think theyre a bust. Kassian may become a really good third line tough guy with a little offense. Some may consdier that a bust, but when you say boom or bust I think the definition changes.

Boom or bust implies theyre either a really good, top 6 type player or they cant play in the NHL at all. While Kassian may be a bust as a third or fourth liner, he can still be useful and isnt a boom or bust type prospect

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11-06-2012, 11:42 PM
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Matt Puempel -- Bust
Tyler Toffoli -- Bust
Shane Prince -- Boom
Cody Ceci -- Boom
Tyler Graovac -- Boom

Those are players I've seen over 50 times in my life and my thoughts

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11-06-2012, 11:52 PM
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Pulkkinen was the definition of boom or bust, especially a few years ago, now there is not much if any hope for him to make it in the nhl.

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11-07-2012, 12:01 AM
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Opinions on Calvin de Haan? Will he be a boom or a bust?

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11-07-2012, 12:23 AM
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If a prospect turns into a top 6 player than I never consider them a bust, unless its a first overall type who barely becomes a 20 goal scorer.

However in most cases if a guy becomes a useful NHLer I dont think theyre a bust. Kassian may become a really good third line tough guy with a little offense. Some may consdier that a bust, but when you say boom or bust I think the definition changes.

Boom or bust implies theyre either a really good, top 6 type player or they cant play in the NHL at all. While Kassian may be a bust as a third or fourth liner, he can still be useful and isnt a boom or bust type prospect
I completely agree with you but I wonder if others disagree. While I do think that Strome has his work cut out for him to meet expectations I just don't see how he won't be at least a second-third liner in the NHL at the end of the day. But that's just me.

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11-07-2012, 01:04 AM
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If Kuznetsov never comes over he is a bust right?

I actually think there is a pretty good chance of him never coming depending on the next CBA.

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11-07-2012, 01:12 AM
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If a prospect turns into a top 6 player than I never consider them a bust, unless its a first overall type who barely becomes a 20 goal scorer.

However in most cases if a guy becomes a useful NHLer I dont think theyre a bust. Kassian may become a really good third line tough guy with a little offense. Some may consdier that a bust, but when you say boom or bust I think the definition changes.

Boom or bust implies theyre either a really good, top 6 type player or they cant play in the NHL at all. While Kassian may be a bust as a third or fourth liner, he can still be useful and isnt a boom or bust type prospect
Right or wrong a lot of times when you swap young players or picks that becomes a factor as well. Kassian was traded for a pretty good young player himself, one that I don't think is near the project he is. I think that will play heavily into how Kassian is judged. If Hodgson tears it up in Buffalo his task gets that much harder.

Even if I agree with the thought process of making the NHL and being solid there for a while excuses you from being a bust. There are factors that sway public perception. In my opinion Kassian has a lot of dangerous elements where he could unfortunately wear this label especially in the Vancouver fanbase.

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11-07-2012, 01:20 AM
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what is the definition of bust? because for me to bust means your are not a regular NHL player. If Kassian became a 30 point 3rd liner who plays physical I wouldnt consider than a bust. Is he a boom if he puts up 55 points?
I think it depends on where your picked a player in the top 5 only becoming a 4th line player is a bust to me. but once you get beyond that I agree there almost needs to be a 3rd term Boom being meeting or exceeding expectation, something in the middle where a guy is an NHL talent and a bust a guy who never plays any amount of games.

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11-07-2012, 03:28 AM
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typical habs fan...
grigorenko = bust

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11-07-2012, 04:49 AM
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11-07-2012, 05:09 AM
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Would you care to elaborate?
Well he's not the absolute smallest, but he's still on the smaller size.
No matter if they come to North America or not, Russian factor still applies. Alexander Radulov was a waste of a pick for Nashville. He's likely done with the NHL after only 172 total games played in the NHL. So we never really know, but I do believe in players like Yakupov,Tarasenko and Grigorenko having long NHL careers.

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11-07-2012, 06:07 AM
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Well he's not the absolute smallest, but he's still on the smaller size.
No matter if they come to North America or not, Russian factor still applies. Alexander Radulov was a waste of a pick for Nashville. He's likely done with the NHL after only 172 total games played in the NHL. So we never really know, but I do believe in players like Yakupov,Tarasenko and Grigorenko having long NHL careers.
Only problem holding Radulov back is he's attitude. I've met him and can say that dude ain't any humble at all, he's like little kid whose only thinking of himself, nothing else matters to him than he's own arse. Man i hate that guy.

Would you want that guy on your team? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXQ56Dp0iB0

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11-07-2012, 06:25 AM
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Only problem holding Radulov back is he's attitude. I've met him and can say that dude ain't any humble at all, he's like little kid whose only thinking of himself, nothing else matters to him than he's own arse. Man i hate that guy.

Would you want that guy on your team? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXQ56Dp0iB0
Yea, I was only using Radulov as an example for Russian players who come to North America, but still end up bolting back to Russia.

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11-07-2012, 07:31 AM
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Is Patrik Stefan the ultimate example for a bust prospect?

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11-07-2012, 07:47 AM
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Alan Quine=Boom

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11-07-2012, 08:15 AM
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Is Patrik Stefan the ultimate example for a bust prospect?
Yep, he would rank right up there with Alexander Daigle and Pavel Brendl

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11-07-2012, 10:05 AM
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The Big Jankowski. I predict he will boom like a cruise missile.

Derrick Pouliot: bust.

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11-07-2012, 10:58 AM
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Tyler Graovac is looking like a big boom this year. Previous high in goals and points was 10g and 27p. Hes at 18g and 25p already this yr in 17 games. Also, he is leading the OHL in goals.

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11-07-2012, 12:39 PM
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Gauthier-Leduc fits the bill from the Sabres pool. Had insane offensive numbers in jr., but he has a long way to go to become an NHL player. Shame he's been injured because I was looking forward to seeing how his game would translate to the AHL.

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11-07-2012, 12:49 PM
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Gauthier-Leduc fits the bill from the Sabres pool. Had insane offensive numbers in jr., but he has a long way to go to become an NHL player. Shame he's been injured because I was looking forward to seeing how his game would translate to the AHL.
I doubt that Gauthier-Leduc will be able to translate his style into the huge leagues. The dude has a powerful shot for a junior, but pro goalies can stop these easily. I cannot see anything else he's doing way better than another offensive Dman..

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11-07-2012, 01:29 PM
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Boom: Grigorenko
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11-07-2012, 01:37 PM
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Alan Quine=Boom
don't see how he's boom or bust with his skating

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11-07-2012, 01:38 PM
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Gauthier-Leduc fits the bill from the Sabres pool. Had insane offensive numbers in jr., but he has a long way to go to become an NHL player. Shame he's been injured because I was looking forward to seeing how his game would translate to the AHL.

I think even if he doesnt play a single game in the NHL he cant be a bust considering he was a 3rd round draft pick.

I am starting to believe that the only way you can be a bust is if your a 1st or maybe 2nd round draft pick.


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11-07-2012, 01:56 PM
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Bust: Armia

Boom: Coyle

Bust: Girgensons

Boom: Pouliot

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11-07-2012, 01:57 PM
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Bust: Armia

Boom: Coyle

Bust: Girgensons

Boom: Pouliot
Armia wouldnt suprise me, Girgensons is doing quite well in a stacked AHL as an 18 year old so I cant see him not becoming a regular NHL player, not to mention he is elite defensively already.

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