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12-03-2012, 10:12 AM
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I'm still holding out, I'm cheap

On 98.5 they said Napoli got more money for 3 years, since the Sox wouldn't go for a 4th.
Good. That's the way they should operate. They have plenty of money...what they can't do is commit long-term to guys, especially guys who may not be multi-dimensional or have some risk associated, like a Napoli.

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12-03-2012, 10:16 AM
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Good. That's the way they should operate. They have plenty of money...what they can't do is commit long-term to guys, especially guys who may not be multi-dimensional or have some risk associated, like a Napoli.

How you can view that as good is beyond me. Yeah, I get not going for a 4th year, but they're still close to signing a useless player for 3 years at significant dollars. Sure, they have plenty of money, but the answer isn't to be this tweener (4th-5th place) team and spending said money on marginal players just because they have it. The guy is a grade A stiff. Even if they could have gotten him on the cheap, he's not anything but a stiff. It's the equivalent of going to a really bad restaurant only because they give you a lot of food. It still sucks, so does that extra quantity really make it better?

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12-03-2012, 10:20 AM
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How you can view that as good is beyond me. Yeah, I get not going for a 4th year, but they're still close to signing a useless player for 3 years at significant dollars. Sure, they have plenty of money, but the answer isn't to be this tweener (4th-5th place) team and spending said money on marginal players just because they have it. The guy is a grade A stiff. Even if they could have gotten him on the cheap, he's not anything but a stiff. It's the equivalent of going to a really bad restaurant only because they give you a lot of food. It still sucks, so does that extra quantity really make it better?
We differ on Napoli's quality. Plain and simple. Guess we will see who's right.

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12-03-2012, 10:22 AM
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Napoli is not a marginal player. He's a legit power threat every time he steps up to the plate. The man can hit the ball a very, very long way. This is a park that plays to his strengths too, since RHH tend to improve their batting averages here and when Napoli has a high average the rest of his numbers tend to look pretty godly.

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Worth noting is that a Napoli-Ross platoon at catcher would actually work pretty well. Napoli is better in all dimensions as a catcher than Salty. He's got a solid arm too. His deal is that he only plays catcher part time, which is fine by me -- the rest of the time, stick Ross in there and play Napoli part time at 1B with a bit of DH thrown in.

The fact is that we've gained a power hitter without actually locking down any other position as something we couldn't sign someone for or promote a rookie into -- so we've actually GAINED options through signing the contract. Even if you limit yourself by for some bizarre reason deciding to only play Napoli at 1B you're still going to benefit because getting Ortiz into the lineup in NL parks is now a breeze -- just play Napoli at catcher that day. And he's got more than enough stick.

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12-03-2012, 10:29 AM
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We differ on Napoli's quality. Plain and simple. Guess we will see who's right.
.259 career, and that includes his anomaly of a season 2 years ago where he hit .320, which is sandwiched between seasons of .227 and .238. Throw in the fact that his OBP is usually in the low .300's, and his slugging is below .500 5 out of his 7 years in the majors, and you're in for a big disappointment. What's really scary is that despite having 24 HR's last year, he only managed 56 RBI. Let me put it this way for you, his numbers were basically the same as Salty's. Does that make you want to run out and lock him up for 3 years at more than $10 Mill per?

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12-03-2012, 10:32 AM
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Napoli is not a marginal player. He's a legit power threat every time he steps up to the plate. The man can hit the ball a very, very long way. This is a park that plays to his strengths too, since RHH tend to improve their batting averages here and when Napoli has a high average the rest of his numbers tend to look pretty godly.
He's a good hitter who may do well in Fenway, but he's had one really good season.

I'm not sure godly is a term I'd use to describe him.

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12-03-2012, 10:32 AM
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Mike Napoli career line: .256/.365/.507. That's pretty solid. If you can get a .270 batting average out of Mike Napoli, you're going to get a great offensive year.

He's a better bet than counting on Cody Ross to find the magic again.

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12-03-2012, 10:34 AM
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.259 career, and that includes his anomaly of a season 2 years ago where he hit .320, which is sandwiched between seasons of .227 and .238. Throw in the fact that his OBP is usually in the low .300's, and his slugging is below .500 5 out of his 7 years in the majors, and you're in for a big disappointment. What's really scary is that despite having 24 HR's last year, he only managed 56 RBI. Let me put it this way for you, his numbers were basically the same as Salty's. Does that make you want to run out and lock him up for 3 years at more than $10 Mill per?
Career OPS+ of 126. Career OBP of .356.

NOT a stiff.

Saltalamacchia had a career year, Napoli had a disappointing year, and Napoli still had 60+ points of OPS on Salty.

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re: rbi total in 2012.

napoli hit primarily 7th or 8th because ron washington has a learning disability.

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12-03-2012, 10:40 AM
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I wouldn't expect Naps to hit much higher than 6th here TBPH, at least if the rest of the plan goes as... umm... planned.

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12-03-2012, 10:42 AM
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napoli hit primarily 7th or 8th because ron washington has a learning disability.
No hit 7th or 8th because he was terrible at the plate with runners on and RISP last year.

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@JonHeymanCBS: Agent joel wolfe says giancarlo feels "same" since unhappy tweet after trade. "It wasn't a reaction, it's a state of mind."

@JonHeymanCBS: Giancarlo's agent Joel Wolfe declined comment about whether @Giancarlo818 had requested a trade. Not happy tho.


@JonHeymanCBS: With lavarnway, ross and napoli to catch, red sox will take offers on salty


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12-03-2012, 11:05 AM
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I don't know who decided that a Giancarlo Stanton trade was possible enough to be interesting, but I wish they'd kept it to themselves. This is not happening. Even if he is traded, I'm not sure it'd be the right move for us to pay the kind of highway robbery price he'd require when we have so many needs to fill out of the farm ouselves.

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12-03-2012, 11:06 AM
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Ugh. Just terrible.
think Michael Ryder. 3 years I can live with

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No hit 7th or 8th because he was terrible at the plate with runners on and RISP last year.
.921 OPS with 6 HR's with RISP last year so... no?

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.921 OPS with 6 HR's with RISP last year so... no?
Those aren't quite Mauro Gomez numbers, but whatever.

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.921 OPS with 6 HR's with RISP last year so... no?
His HR totals start to look different when you consider that the 6 HRs with RIPS in 98 ABs is basically one every 16.33 ABs. His overall ratio for everything is a HR every 14.66 ABs, and his ratio drops to 12.06 when the bases are empty, so I stand by what I said.

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3-years, 39 mil total. Averages out to 13mil per. Too much IMO. 98.5 says Napoli could be Lackey's catcher and play the rest at 1st.

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3-years, 39 mil total. Averages out to 13mil per. Too much IMO. 98.5 says Napoli could be Lackey's catcher and play the rest at 1st.
Was he Lackey's primary catcher back in LA?

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3-years, 39 mil total. Averages out to 13mil per. Too much IMO. 98.5 says Napoli could be Lackey's catcher and play the rest at 1st.
It doesn't really amount to too much per year until it precludes them from acquiring someone else during his tenure. So let's wait and see if that happens...I have my doubts.

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3-years, 39 mil total. Averages out to 13mil per. Too much IMO. 98.5 says Napoli could be Lackey's catcher and play the rest at 1st.
So...he'll catch 3-4 blowouts then (hopefully) never catch for us again???

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It doesn't really amount to too much per year until it precludes them from acquiring someone else during his tenure. So let's wait and see if that happens...I have my doubts.
That's not the point, IMO. Spending money just to spend it isn't a real solid strategy. All they're doing is making themselves marginally better and hurting their future draft picks. If given the chance of missing the playoffs and getting a top pick, or missing the playoffs and getting a mid round pick, which do you chose?

It's not like the Mike Napoli's of the world make them an actual playoff caliber team, or fill the holes they have on their pitching staff. Basically, they're going to suck with him or without him. With that being said, I'd pass on the chance to sign him and/or Swisher. They don't improve your pitching staff, and you still have zero chance of being a playoff team, so why bother?

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So...he'll catch 3-4 blowouts then (hopefully) never catch for us again???
Thank you, thank you. Don't forget to tip your waitress. I'll be here all week...

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They didn't lose a pick on Napoli did they? I didn't Texas made him an offer.

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