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11-09-2012, 03:55 PM
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Schneider
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We would win the cup IMHO w Joe.
A lot of futures to pay, but I agree.

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Edler + Luongo for Thornton + Niemi?
Sure, do it.

Sharks fans don't want Lu though.

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Sharks fans will be disappointed with the return.

You won't get a franchise young player in return. Not going to happen.

What you would get is three or four nice pieces back. Likely a team's top prospect (depending on said prospect, obviously), and two or three really nice prospects, young players, or picks. Teams simply do not trade franchise young players for aging stars.
Sounds familiar, did you copy and paste from the Lu threads?

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"The price for Rick Nash is Logan Couture."

then again, the Sharks aren't exactly attempting to trade Thornton anytime soon, last I checked.
Yeah, a lot of bluster usually accompanies potential trades like this, but the Sharks honestly shouldn't be looking to move Thornton.



For an original thought, Thornton for Edler+Kassian? Add a 2nd for Murray being returned?

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11-09-2012, 04:01 PM
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Frankly, would not even want him. Never liked the player and never expect a team led by him to find ultimate success.

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11-09-2012, 04:29 PM
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For an original thought, Thornton for Edler+Kassian? Add a 2nd for Murray being returned?
Doesn't fit our needs, but that's easily the best offer in this thread. I'd probably do it, provided we thought Edler would resign. That'd give us a very studly defense corps all 27 or younger. And then Clowe would be the ideal mentor for Kassian. If we did get Edler, Boyle would be gonzo for young 2nd line forward.

From Buffalo, I'd insist on either Grigorenko or Ennis.

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11-09-2012, 04:29 PM
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WFT! Thornton didn't even yield that the first time he was traded. Wow, Paul Holmgren is an F'ing moron for not getting this type of return for Richards or Carter in their prime, no less. Keep Dreaming, Thornton won't net this as a 33 year old, sorry.
And that trade is also considered a total fleece-job. Thornton wasn't shopped, and it would be certain that if Joe was to leave SJ, DW wouldn't shop him to a single team.

Either way, I'm not sure how much Joe would garner to be honest. Depends on teams involved, trigger-happiness of playoff-bound GMs, timing, etc. To say flat out one way or the other at this point is ridiculous considering where the NHL is right now. And to make extreme statements (either side of extreme) is silly.

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11-09-2012, 05:16 PM
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Thornton has long been my dream-center to play with Kessel.

But I know the Leafs would never give up what it would take to get him.

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11-09-2012, 06:10 PM
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Do you go into every "Value of" thread with the assumption that the trade is predicated on the player asking for a trade?
I personally try not to, but that seems to be a rare thing, judging by how many folks seem to think that a Thornton acquisition is reasonably doable.

My point was simply to suggest that if he's not available, just come out and say that - he's not available. Give reasons if you're so inclined. Explain what would motivate a replacement if necessary, but stick to "he's not available". Trying to respond with "he's outside of your price range" in an attempt to imply unavailability while tacitly acknowledging and giving credibility to the idiots who blather about Gretzky every time you deny them their opportunity at baseless speculation will only end in absurd arguments about impossible things AND encourage the fools.

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11-09-2012, 06:22 PM
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I personally try not to, but that seems to be a rare thing, judging by how many folks seem to think that a Thornton acquisition is reasonably doable.

My point was simply to suggest that if he's not available, just come out and say that - he's not available. Give reasons if you're so inclined. Explain what would motivate a replacement if necessary, but stick to "he's not available". Trying to respond with "he's outside of your price range" in an attempt to imply unavailability while tacitly acknowledging and giving credibility to the idiots who blather about Gretzky every time you deny them their opportunity at baseless speculation will only end in absurd arguments about impossible things AND encourage the fools.
Unless "he's not available unless there is a deal that makes all kinds of sense for the Sharks" actually is the answer for this question.

Trading Joe Thornton literally only happens if someone gives us pieces we need: A young top-4 puck-moving left-handed defenseman, or young top-6 forwards/forward prospects. The quantity or quality that Sharks fans would demand, in order to deal their captain and best player, is not something that makes sense for most teams. The answer we've given, the one that you dislike so, is put out there to show that Joe is almost impossible to trade for, but also inviting the kind of overpayment we need.

TL;DR, Joe isn't unavailable, but the price the Sharks would demand makes no sense for most teams.

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11-09-2012, 06:25 PM
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Erixon + Johansen

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11-09-2012, 06:35 PM
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Obviously we'd be starting with Kreider and I'm more than wiling.

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11-09-2012, 06:36 PM
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Obviously we'd be starting with Kreider and I'm more than wiling.
Krieder is non starter for me. Would rather package Stepan. I don't want to push for Thornton, he's a good player but a bit too old for my liking.

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11-09-2012, 06:39 PM
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Krieder is non starter for me. Would rather package Stepan.
I'd gladly package Stepan. I think there's only 3 players in the franchise off limits for Thornton.

One of them is painfully obvious. The second one is Gaborik (only because it would kill the point of getting Thornton). The third one....let's not get into because he starts more flame wars than 19th century France.

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11-09-2012, 06:44 PM
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I'd gladly package Stepan. I think there's only 3 players in the franchise off limits for Thornton.

One of them is painfully obvious. The second one is Gaborik (only because it would kill the point of getting Thornton). The third one....let's not get into because he starts more flame wars than 19th century France.
Who's the 3rd one? Callahan? Nash? Richards?

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11-09-2012, 06:46 PM
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Who's the 3rd one? Callahan? Nash? Richards?
Thinking defense here. Young, fast, Irish descent. That guy.

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I highly doubt Columbus would be interested. I'd certainly think about that one. Johanson's the type of player I'd build a deal around.

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Who's the 3rd one? Callahan? Nash? Richards?
McDonagh, right?

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Thinking defense here. Young, fast, Irish descent. That guy.
You would trade Nash for Thornton?

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You would trade Nash for Thornton?
Yeah. I wouldn't trade Thornton for Nash, not even close.

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I would trade Nash for Thornton, but I wouldn't be thrilled about it. He's certainly not off-limits.

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11-09-2012, 06:50 PM
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You would trade Nash for Thornton?
I would. We get cap space and get the much better player in all facets of the game beside goals.

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McDonagh.

Ya he's kinda good lol.

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Frankly, would not even want him. Never liked the player and never expect a team led by him to find ultimate success.
The first part means you don't know Joe, the second part can be said for 99% of all players in the NHL. He just needs the right players around him. Joe performs in the playoffs, now it's just the rest of the team.

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You would trade Nash for Thornton?
You'd be crazy not to, Nash is good but not that good. Thornton is an great all-around player right now, and if he returned to playing sheltered minutes like some superstars I wouldn't be surprised to see him approach his former point totals.

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You'd be crazy not to, Nash is good but not that good. Thornton is an great all-around player right now, and if he returned to playing sheltered minutes like some superstars I wouldn't be surprised to see him approach his former point totals.
Obviously Joe is the better player, but when you factor in Nash's youth, and his supporting cast in Columbus as opposed to Thornton's, I think I'd prefer Nash to Thornton. Might just be me though.

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11-09-2012, 09:44 PM
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If Kes and Thornton Kissed and made friends they would make a mean second line. CUP cough CUP...

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if thornton is dealt, it's for something similar to the nuweindike/iginla deal

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I don't understand the point of saying "you won't get a good return for him" when he's not being shopped.

If someone comes asking they're trying to take another contender's best reason for still being in position to compete in the post season and would be doing it at the trade deadline.

If somehow that broke news that they were calling about him then they'd have to actually be the high bidder with any other team that has young assets to spare and wants a 1st line center (half the league). You can't baselessly speculate the player's value based on him alone, the partner has to actually convince Wilson to deal him.

That's the "value" Sharks fans are giving, what they assume it would take to convince Wilson, not what he's worth in a vacuum that will never even exist.

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At the dead line for a 1st+B level prospect + roster player

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