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11-20-2012, 06:16 PM
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What NHLPA & NHL have agreed 2..so far...

http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/...osal-wednesday


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The sides have more or less agreed to:

" Change the free agent calendar, meaning the market would open on June 15 or 48 hours after the awarding of the Stanley Cup the players want whichever is later instead of July 1. Arbitration dates may change as well.

Allow cap space to be included in transactions, to encourage trades and get teams out from under heavy contracts.

A joint health committee.

Eliminate re-entry waivers.

A neutral, third-party arbitrator to deal with appeals for on- and off-ice discipline.

Minimum roster requirements to avoid situations where teams dress fewer than 18 players to save salary cap room"

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At least they accomplished something with all those meeting early in the process...

Minor stuff.. but hey... once put down in a formal proposal... those will be the easy points to formally agree on.. and maybe it lead to agreements on bigger ones..

I understand they are pretty close on revenue sharing as well.

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GETTING CLOSER
The NHL has moved closer to the NHLPA position on:

• Entry-level contracts. The league wants a two-year limit. The players want to leave it at three.

• AHL salaries. The league is offering to count only those that exceed the NHL minimum ($525,000) against a team’s cap. The NHL had wanted the number closer to $95,000. The victory for the PA here is that AHL players won’t have their salaries count against the players’ share of hockey-related revenue. Accounting would be limited to players in the NHL.

• Unrestricted free agency. The league is offering freedom after eight years of service or age 28, after asking for 10 years. This year, players could become free agents after seven years of service, or age 27.

• Maintaining salary arbitration, but with eligibility pushed back to a player’s fifth season. The players are asking for arbitration after four years. The NHL initially wanted it abolished.


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I'm glad to see re-entry waivers go.

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Would be glad to see re-entry waivers go.

Don't understand moving the free agency dates? Someone explain?

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Would be glad to see re-entry waivers go.

Don't understand moving the free agency dates? Someone explain?
So players can have the optimal amount of time to settle into a new situation for the following season; is the only reason that comes to mind.

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I have heard that they might have a 1 week window where teams can tryt o recruit players and talk to them.

What do people think about that? Would make it pretty exciting.

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So players can have the optimal amount of time to settle into a new situation for the following season; is the only reason that comes to mind.
Problem I see is that the draft is a place where a lot of teams make trades and some define their future going forward at that place, might make things quite confusing. I can see teams being allowed to talk to players, though.

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I have heard that they might have a 1 week window where teams can tryt o recruit players and talk to them.

What do people think about that? Would make it pretty exciting.
Similar to the NBA, no?

As for AHL salaries counting, did they make it so no player in the AHL has their salary against the cap or only those whose salary is at/exceeds the wage minimum($525,000) meaning one way contracts will always count against the cap?

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Moving free agency to a different date is a good idea simply because of Canada and 4tf of July. There really is no need to delay the date of free agency so long. Only thing that is fun is when a trade is made during the draft which spices up the draft and the road to free agency

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Some good ideas there (some no-brainers really) Better then nothing I guess

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I preferred free agency day so late. It stretched the summer of no hockey a little bit. First there's the hype of the draft, and then there's the free agency, pretty soon hockey was back on the tube in no time at all.

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I have heard that they might have a 1 week window where teams can tryt o recruit players and talk to them.

What do people think about that? Would make it pretty exciting.
I think it would be a good idea, and something beneficial to both sides.

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Moving free agency to a different date is a good idea simply because of Canada and 4tf of July. There really is no need to delay the date of free agency so long. Only thing that is fun is when a trade is made during the draft which spices up the draft and the road to free agency
Allowing players to start negotiations and be contacted prior to July 1st, no problem at all. However, a full scale UFA season starting within 48 hours after Stanley Cup has been awarded could be problematic. Would that leave the League sufficient time to finalise revenue estimations in order to determine the next season's cap (assuming cap will remain tied to the revenues)?

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Why do the players want a 3 year ELC instead of 2?

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So players can have the optimal amount of time to settle into a new situation for the following season; is the only reason that comes to mind.
My understanding was that the period between 06/15 and 07/01 would be a time during which teams would be free to negotiate openly with teams and then sign deals starting on 07/01

At least that's how I understood it.

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Change the free agent calendar, meaning the market would open on June 15 or 48 hours after the awarding of the Stanley Cup the players want whichever is later instead of July 1. Arbitration dates may change as well.


Imagine winning the Cup on June 12 with the Canucks (lol) and then signing elsewhere on the 15th.

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Why do the players want a 3 year ELC instead of 2?
Guaranteed 3 years?

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Why do the players want a 3 year ELC instead of 2?
Thought that was a typo, as didn't the league want 4 year ELCs? or did they change from that?

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I have heard that they might have a 1 week window where teams can tryt o recruit players and talk to them.

What do people think about that? Would make it pretty exciting.
Would love that. It would be like college b-ball and football trying to recruit the top prospects.

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Imagine winning the Cup on June 12 with the Canucks (lol) and then signing elsewhere on the 15th.
LOL signing somewhere before even having the Cup parade. That would be hilarious.

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Thought that was a typo, as didn't the league want 4 year ELCs? or did they change from that?
Nope, not a typo. NHL offered 2 year ELCs in their offer to save an 82 game season in mid-October.

Reasoning was simple.

If the UFA age is 28 years old or 8 years of experience.

if term limit on deals is 5 years.

Players coming out of ELC would be 22 in most cases since they start it at 20...the max they could sign for is 5 years, so up to age 27.

As a result, the ''2nd contract'' is no longer super inflationary because it won't cover a UFA year or two or three...

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Nope, not a typo. NHL offered 2 year ELCs in their offer to save an 82 game season in mid-October.

Reasoning was simple.

If the UFA age is 28 years old or 8 years of experience.

if term limit on deals is 5 years.

Players coming out of ELC would be 22 in most cases since they start it at 20...the max they could sign for is 5 years, so up to age 27.

As a result, the ''2nd contract'' is no longer super inflationary because it won't cover a UFA year or two or three...
Missed that in the prior offer to be honest. Was just hopeful that we still could be seeing a full season at that point and was more worried about the economics then the specifics.

Smart on the PA's part to not budge on that one. If the NHL had been able to get that one through, along with the new 8/28 idea on free agency and the 5 year contract limit, the NHL effectively could have eliminated quite a few UFA years via the 3rd contract if they had been able to re-sign those players.

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