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11-10-2012, 12:55 PM
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Once you are able to get past the Yakupov >>>>> 'EveryOtherPlayer' agenda, we can settle this and move on.
Give it a rest.

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11-10-2012, 12:58 PM
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Once you are able to get past the Yakupov >>>>> 'EveryOtherPlayer' agenda, we can settle this and move on.
I've never said that he was that much better than every other player/prospect. But the prospects your bringing up? Tyler Toffoli better than Nail Yakupov? I mean, seriously, no one in their right minds believes that. Nail Yakupov is the best prospect in the world. Your severely underrating him.

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11-10-2012, 01:02 PM
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I've never said that he was that much better than every other player/prospect. But the prospects your bringing up? Tyler Toffoli better than Nail Yakupov? I mean, seriously, no one in their right minds believes that. Nail Yakupov is the best prospect in the world. Your severely underrating him.
My post was in direct response to another post which applied similar criteria regarding Hamilton. Pay more attention. That's my last word.

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11-10-2012, 01:03 PM
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No one in their right minds takes those 3 players before Yakupov. Seriously. I don't know what your trying to prove, but Yakupov is a far, far, far, far better prospect than than them.
He wasn't saying Yakupov isn't better, he was showing another poster how weak that poster's argument against Hamilton was.

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11-10-2012, 01:07 PM
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If you also insist on using points measurement, then Nail Yakupov, in his 'breakout' 2010-11 OHL season, managed to end up 4th in scoring amongst forwards. That scoring list says there were three other OHL forwards who were better than Yakupov. And Jonathan Huberdeau scored 105 points in QMJHL in 2010-11, so make that four forwards.

OHL regular season 2010-11

1 Tyler Toffoli Ottawa 67's GP68/Pts. 108
2 Jason Akeson Kitchener Rangers GP67/Pts. 108
3 Ryan Strome Niagara IceDogs GP65/Pts. 106
4 Nail Yakupov Sarnia Sting GP65/Pts. 101
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11-10-2012, 03:06 PM
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Points will never tell the whole story for Hall, but if you insist that it does then you must also uphold the same criteria for Hamilton, who during his "Breakout" OHL season managed to end up 4th overall in scoring amongst defenseman. To me, that says there were 3 other players who were better than him.
What? Among defensemen last season in the OHL Hamilton was first in points by 12, and first in PPG by .37. The closest was Ryan Murphy in terms of PPG and Ceci in points. Ceci played 15 more games than Hamilton.

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11-10-2012, 05:09 PM
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What a surprise... a halfway decent trade proposal thread turns into a prospect pissing match.

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11-10-2012, 05:46 PM
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What a surprise... a halfway decent trade proposal thread turns into a prospect pissing match.
Agreed...kinda sad, but what can ya do hf will be hf...both Hamilton and Yak will be very good players,and we can age that they are the same level of prospect,so in the end that's all that really matters...

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11-10-2012, 05:51 PM
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Points will never tell the whole story for Hall, but if you insist that it does then you must also uphold the same criteria for Hamilton, who during his "Breakout" OHL season managed to end up 4th overall in scoring amongst defenseman. To me, that says there were 3 other players who were better than him.
50 Games played, he did lead by a lot.

Oh yeah and thier is a reason he won best defenceman trophy.

I never insisted points told the story for Hall I only stated his playing time and did not give a point total fro Seguin just that he led the Bruins.


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11-11-2012, 03:43 AM
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11-11-2012, 04:17 AM
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What? Among defensemen last season in the OHL Hamilton was first in points by 12, and first in PPG by .37. The closest was Ryan Murphy in terms of PPG and Ceci in points. Ceci played 15 more games than Hamilton.
Didn't Hamilton score at almost the same rate as Yakupov? I could swear I read an article about Hamilton where they compared his scoring rate to that of Yakupov and talked about how amazing it is that Hamilton was a defenseman who was scoring at almost the same rate as such a highly touted forward.

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11-11-2012, 10:07 AM
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Boston would say no , Edmonton would say no .
If im boston i probably say yes. Seguin has some personality concerns to me. Hall seems sooooooooooooooo solid. Id rather have all.

Hamilton... love him.. love him... so hard to give him up, but he isnt Yakubov.

If Im Boston I say yes to this deal.

and its possible I say yes if Im Edmonton too cause team needs get filled better.

so... good proposal imo... wont happen, but it seems fair value wise to me

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11-11-2012, 10:24 AM
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Seguin and Hall are pretty much equal (slight edge to Seguin) but I'd take Yaks before Hamilton rather easily. hamilton has a bright future but i see Yakopuv as a big time star. This is the future core of both teams. Unrealistic.

Just for fun:

Oilers get: Seguin, Hamilton, Subban
Bruins get: Yaks, Hall and a 3rd.

Still unrealistic given potential on the players but the value/team needs is there

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11-11-2012, 12:03 PM
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Since at the moment Hamilton is more developed...imo Yak will become a solid 1st liner,and Hamilton a solid top pairingD, so ya it's a wash, you must need a reminder that prospects develop
I 100% disagree with this. Prove to me how Hamilton is more "developed".

Yakupov has proved himself in the KHL and OHL, Hamilton has only proved himself in the OHL. Defense also take much longer to develop at the NHL level.

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11-11-2012, 01:10 PM
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I 100% disagree with this. Prove to me how Hamilton is more "developed".

Yakupov has proved himself in the KHL and OHL, Hamilton has only proved himself in the OHL. Defense also take much longer to develop at the NHL level.
Simply because he is a year older.

I agree, it's a stupid argument.

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11-11-2012, 01:20 PM
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To Boston
Taylor Hall
Nail Yakupov



To Edmonton
Dougie Hamilton
Tyler Seguin


This makes no sense for either team.

I prefer Seguin over Hall... HF seems bipolar on the issue... before being Hall, than Seguin than back to Hall now Seguin again... so call it split for arguments sake.

Yakupov looks nice, sure he will be great... but so will Hamilton.

Boston rather have Seguin play wing for now, hope Horton is happy and keep Hamilton... versus trading away a potential #1 defenseman.... based on team need I am not sure Boston would do a Hamilton/Yakupov 1 for 1 switch...

Conversly neither would Edmonton... but we knew that as this was beaten to death during the draft time.... neither team ever does this.

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11-11-2012, 01:32 PM
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Simply because he is a year older.
I agree, it's a stupid argument.
Just for birthdate record. Same year. Hamilton, June '93. Yakupov, October '93.
Perhaps 'Hamilton more developed' applies to height, 6'6 as opposed to 5'11.

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11-11-2012, 02:02 PM
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Just for birthdate record. Same year. Hamilton, June '93. Yakupov, October '93.
Perhaps 'Hamilton more developed' applies to height, 6'6 as opposed to 5'11.
Yeah, but Hamilton is also a twig. He needs to eat a couple of burgers.

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11-12-2012, 05:43 AM
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Seguin and Hall are pretty much equal (slight edge to Seguin) but I'd take Yaks before Hamilton rather easily. hamilton has a bright future but i see Yakopuv as a big time star. This is the future core of both teams. Unrealistic.

Just for fun:

Oilers get: Seguin, Hamilton, Subban
Bruins get: Yaks, Hall and a 3rd.

Still unrealistic given potential on the players but the value/team needs is there
Boston has 5 top-6 wingers before this deal but only one good defensive prospect (they need a Chara replacement and have a hole in the top-4 of their NHL D already with no good defensive prospects outside of Hamilton) and one good goaltending prospect (Rask needs an heir apparent and no one in the B's system has NHL starter potential beyond Subban).

Neither your deal nor the OPs take into account Boston's needs just Edmonton's.

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11-12-2012, 08:38 AM
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This makes no sense for either team.

I prefer Seguin over Hall... HF seems bipolar on the issue... before being Hall, than Seguin than back to Hall now Seguin again... so call it split for arguments sake.

Yakupov looks nice, sure he will be great... but so will Hamilton.

Boston rather have Seguin play wing for now, hope Horton is happy and keep Hamilton... versus trading away a potential #1 defenseman.... based on team need I am not sure Boston would do a Hamilton/Yakupov 1 for 1 switch...

Conversly neither would Edmonton... but we knew that as this was beaten to death during the draft time.... neither team ever does this.
This trade makes perfect sense for the Oilers.I don't understand why you don't think it would.

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11-12-2012, 08:58 AM
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Boston's prospect depth at D would look awful without Hamilton, they kind of need him.

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Boston has 5 top-6 wingers before this deal but only one good defensive prospect (they need a Chara replacement and have a hole in the top-4 of their NHL D already with no good defensive prospects outside of Hamilton) and one good goaltending prospect (Rask needs an heir apparent and no one in the B's system has NHL starter potential beyond Subban).

Neither your deal nor the OPs take into account Boston's needs just Edmonton's.
Doesn't matter it's all unrealistic. When has a deal like this ever happened?

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11-12-2012, 10:56 AM
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Doesn't matter it's all unrealistic. When has a deal like this ever happened?
Best example I could think of is the Lindros trade.. however we all know those circumstances

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Doesn't matter it's all unrealistic. When has a deal like this ever happened?
I agree with you on that point. But your post said it fits both teams needs which was false.

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I think Hamilton is a great prospect and will have a nice NHL career but does anyone really think if Yakupov and Dougie were eligible in the same draft year that Hamilton would've gone first?

I say zero chance what so ever.

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