If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. As quoted in Listening and Speaking : A Guide to Effective Oral Communication (1954) by Ralph G. Nichols and Thomas R. Lewis, p. 74
All of Eric's baggage has been checked. Understand? The shots leveled at him by Flyers GM Bobby Clarke, who has repeatedly said Lindros tried to destroy his old team? Irrelevant. The trade-me-to-Toronto demands made by Eric and his agent-dad Carl during a year-long stalemate? Old news. The recurring head injuries? Next question. The overprotective mom, Bonnie, who once claimed the Flyers "tried to kill" her son by making him catch a plane when he had a punctured lung? Tired. The out-of-court settlement he got from a Philly sports talk radio station that claimed he missed a game in 1997 because of a hangover? Not worth discussing. Any of it. From now on, we talk about the future. Do we understand each other? We do.
Well of course he'll get a moment whenever this league decides to start playing hockey again. Constantly carried this team on his back and put up with one heck of a rough fanbase . Not hard to see how much we miss having him around.
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Maybe Vancouver will honour him. Leafs already honoured him enough by retiring his jersey.
Still not over him leaving like that
Yeah I know, the nerve of the guy signing anywhere after the Leafs said they didn't want him back.
It bothers me that there are people who claim to be Leaf fans who are so petty and vindictive -- not too mention that such people also seem to feel that pettiness and vindictiveness is preferred to forgiveness.
Pettiness and vindictiveness eh ? Pettiness was convincing the Muskoka 5 to refuse trade proposals. Vindictiveness was holding out for months, than signing with Vancouver. Na, This guy is poison to the Leafs. After all the whining that Leaf fans did to get this guy raised to the rafters, what happened ? Check the won loss record after that fiasco. Been a loyal Leaf fan for 50 plus years and can't recall any other player that caused as much damage to the Leafs as $undin.
Likewise. I had a blast. Seeing Sundin not only in the blue and white again, but playing with Roberts and Tucker was great to see again.
Paul Coffey though, man the guy still has the vision and poise.
Likewise, I had a blast seeing Sundin play live again. Giving him a standing ovation, which I never would've gotten a chance to do, had it been a regular season game. I never would've been able to get tickets.
It was amazing seeing Dougy again, (went last yr), I was sitting in platinum's for the 1st time (there is NO WAY I'll ever sit in them during a regular season game) & meeting Gary Roberts!!! (Picture w/ him)
The ACC was a full house!!
So many people say it's a meaningless game but for $45 lower bowl admission, no asigned seats to see ex-Leafs Legends & NHLers play is amazing!! Dave Ellett, Cujo, Theo Flurey, Paul Coffee to name a few were playing.
When my fav of all time, Dougy scored his 1st goal I jumped up so fast out of my seat, cheering, arms in the air & repeated for his 2nd goal. Yesterday was the 1st time I saw Dougy score live. I was so happy when he scored!!
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Was this a rumour that circulated years ago? Like sometime around 2000?
Did anyone ever hear this back then?
If it's true it would have been the fleecing of the century.
This thread is to honour Mats. Trading Sundin for Lindros would have been a huge mistake. We miss you Mats. We took you for granted in Toronto. We will never do that again.
Congrats on the HHOF!
to be fair i think i heard that rumour but the leafs didn't want too.
instead they try 3 random guys but wouldn't add kaberle so the deal fell through, just what i remember dunno if its correct tho.
Was this a rumour that circulated years ago? Like sometime around 2000?
Did anyone ever hear this back then?
If it's true it would have been the fleecing of the century.
This thread is to honour Mats. Trading Sundin for Lindros would have been a huge mistake. We miss you Mats. We took you for granted in Toronto. We will never do that again.
Congrats on the HHOF!
There was a story/rumor that the Leafs would trade Sundin for Rob Blake then go out and acquire Lindros. The Leafs replace Sundin with Lindros while getting a solid D in the process.
I could swear The Star ran that story. How much legitimacy there was to it I don't know.
Yes, lets bestow medals on him and give him gold and silver.
He's my hero. I wish I could just spend a day with the king of Sweeden. Insert sarcastic emicon here.
Yea, lets honor the guy who bolted the leafs for the canucks when we could have traded him there the year before. Lets honor a liar. Lets honor a hypocrite.
Jesus Christ some of you are so immature. What are half of you...under 15 years of age!!
Give it a rest and lets move forward.
I cant wait for the day when Kessel beats his leaf scoring records so we don't have to listen to this crap anymore.
Pettiness and vindictiveness eh ? Pettiness was convincing the Muskoka 5 to refuse trade proposals. Vindictiveness was holding out for months, than signing with Vancouver. Na, This guy is poison to the Leafs. After all the whining that Leaf fans did to get this guy raised to the rafters, what happened ? Check the won loss record after that fiasco. Been a loyal Leaf fan for 50 plus years and can't recall any other player that caused as much damage to the Leafs as $undin.
Well of course he'll get a moment whenever this league decides to start playing hockey again. Constantly carried this team on his back and put up with one heck of a rough fanbase . Not hard to see how much we miss having him around.
Yeah I know, the nerve of the guy signing anywhere after the Leafs said they didn't want him back.
REally? Do we have to do this again? The year before he would not waive a trade to Vancouver then signs with them later. He lied and he was a hypocrite. He said he would not play for a team halfway through a season, said players should attend training camps, said he did not believe in rental players....etc. This is all documented. We are not making this crap up.
I just go check and see how many times he got us into the playoffs when he was here and how many cups we won.....oh wait.
Sundin will be playing at the Legends games at the ACC on Sunday, he will get a standing ovation from us.
Dougy will be captain & Clark is on Dougy's team. I can't wait!
I wish I could go....just so I could get thrown out. I would be the guy pelting him with rotten tomatoes on national tv.
I speak for the other half of leaf nation that is pissed at how he left.
Had he waived when asked, this franchise would have been set for year with the package we could have got for that lying hypocrite.
Sundin said all this:
"I don't believe in becoming a rental player".....did it anyway.
"I don't believe in a player missing training camp" .....Did it anyway
"I don't believe in joining a team halfway through a season"....Did it anyway
Sundin was one of the leafs all time worse leaders. That is true.
REally? Do we have to do this again? The year before he would not waive a trade to Vancouver then signs with them later. He lied and he was a hypocrite. He said he would not play for a team halfway through a season, said players should attend training camps, said he did not believe in rental players....etc. This is all documented. We are not making this crap up.
I just go check and see how many times he got us into the playoffs when he was here and how many cups we won.....oh wait.
Worse leader in Leaf history.
Just collected a paycheck, thats all he did.
I feel like this topic has been beaten to death. He uses a clause given to him by JFJ (give him the blame for giving Mats an NTC) to honor the remainder of his contract, the Leafs did not want him back, and no team offered him a deal till the Canucks did in January, and he still took a paycut.
Say what you want, Mats was a clutch player and w/o him, our teams are barely 7th/8th seeds, if not outside-looking-in. Blame management for not giving him any talent to thrive with. If you can make Jonas Hoglund into a 30 G scorer, you are a special player. He did a hell of a lot more good than bad for the franchise, but some negative nancies just can't get past that.
Sundin is a Leafs legend and the people who are still on his case need to stop. He didn't do anything wrong - he didn't want to give up on the team because we were still within a few points of a playoff spot, and after 13 seasons of loyal service, the way Fletcher was trying to pawn him off was frankly pretty despicable. You never saw Avalanche management try to dump Sakic off for a couple first rounders at the end of his career, nor did Detroit try to ship Lidstrom out once he turned 40. All Sundin wanted was the same loyalty back that he had shown the team for over a decade, and the fact that we never won the Cup says more about management's inability to build a consistently strong team around him than it does about Sundin himself. He never wanted to leave Toronto, but Fletcher tried to force him out, then Burke essentially gave him the "thanks, but no thanks" come free agency. This is a man who did and still does bleed blue and white, and any fans who are truly of the same ilk would be able to recognize that.
I for one look forward to seeing the Leafs honour Sundin's very deserving HHoF induction, whenever hockey actually happens to resume.
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Sure, sure, bleeds blue and white.....and any other color of a team that was willing to pay him 10 million for half a season.
Burke said "No thanks" because he was not willing to pay the bum 10 million for half a season, or more for a full season in that case.
Sundin was a greedy traitor, pure and simple.
His decision to go for the money was purely based on GREED!!
He could have went to a contender (vancouver was not a contender then). But they were willing to fork over the dough.
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to be fair i think i heard that rumour but the leafs didn't want too.
instead they try 3 random guys but wouldn't add kaberle so the deal fell through, just what i remember dunno if its correct tho.
I remember Bobby Clarke once said Danny Markov would have been involved, however because he was injured they didn't want him. The funny thing is a few years later Philadelphia ended up getting Markov from Carolina.
I feel like this topic has been beaten to death. He uses a clause given to him by JFJ (give him the blame for giving Mats an NTC) to honor the remainder of his contract, the Leafs did not want him back, and no team offered him a deal till the Canucks did in January, and he still took a paycut.
Say what you want, Mats was a clutch player and w/o him, our teams are barely 7th/8th seeds, if not outside-looking-in. Blame management for not giving him any talent to thrive with. If you can make Jonas Hoglund into a 30 G scorer, you are a special player. He did a hell of a lot more good than bad for the franchise, but some negative nancies just can't get past that.
Wow, your post is filled with inacuracies.....except the first line. I agree, the topic has been done to death.
That clause he used was a clause that should never have been given. The leafs DID in fact want him back, but not at the price he was commanding. Some of you amuse me. So our GM said, "hell no, we don't want you back" for no reason. Hmmmm, could be his agent was asking an insane amount of money for him.
You are wrong about Vancouver offering the only deal. Detroit (who was a contender at the time) offered him 8 million. It amazes me how many of you forgot that. New York was also in the running. Do you not remember the 3 teams Sundin was testing?
Mats was Not a clutch player.....for half of the seasons he was a leaf. Do you not realize that mats missed the playoffs here half the amount of years he was here almost?
Sundin had plenty of good players to play with. The only reason he got all those points was playing with good players. He didn't get 500 unassisted goals did he? He didnt get all the assist because he linemates that could not put the puck in the net did he?
He got his points purely out of longevity.
We are not negative nancies. We are realists that saw him for what he was.
Barely a PPG player, no awards, no cups, missed the playoffs a crapload of times in his career.
Wow, your post is filled with inacuracies.....except the first line. I agree, the topic has been done to death.
That clause he used was a clause that should never have been given. The leafs DID in fact want him back, but not at the price he was commanding. Some of you amuse me. So our GM said, "hell no, we don't want you back" for no reason. Hmmmm, could be his agent was asking an insane amount of money for him.
You are wrong about Vancouver offering the only deal. Detroit (who was a contender at the time) offered him 8 million. It amazes me how many of you forgot that. New York was also in the running. Do you not remember the 3 teams Sundin was testing?
Mats was Not a clutch player.....for half of the seasons he was a leaf. Do you not realize that mats missed the playoffs here half the amount of years he was here almost?
Sundin had plenty of good players to play with. The only reason he got all those points was playing with good players. He didn't get 500 unassisted goals did he? He didnt get all the assist because he linemates that could not put the puck in the net did he?
He got his points purely out of longevity.
We are not negative nancies. We are realists that saw him for what he was.
Barely a PPG player, no awards, no cups, missed the playoffs a crapload of times in his career.
The end.
Name me another all-star player Mats Sundin played with in terms of his forward core during his time in Toronto? Please. Alexander Mogilny was the closest it got and he was much past his prime.. I also saw you say Sundin isn't clutch but he has / was tied for most OT winners with Jagr for the longest time.. Everyone who gets a lot of points will get them because of longevity.. Seriously. And another thing, just because Sundin left Toronto has nothing to do with what kind of leader he is in the locker room. Your hate for Sundin is glaringly obvious and it's pretty clear you're 100% bias against Mats. Sad really.
[QUOTE=DirtyDion03;55728557]Name me another all-star player Mats Sundin played with in terms of his forward core during his time in Toronto? Please. Alexander Mogilny was the closest it got and he was much past his prime.. I also saw you say Sundin isn't clutch but he has / was tied for most OT winners with Jagr for the longest time.. Everyone who gets a lot of points will get them because of longevity.. Seriously. And another thing, just because Sundin left Toronto has nothing to do with what kind of leader he is in the locker room. Your hate for Sundin is glaringly obvious and it's pretty clear you're 100% bias against Mats. Sad really.[/QUOTE]
Not sad at all. I am a leaf fan first. He screwed over the team. Your leader talked the Muskogy 5 out of waiving their NTCs. Good job.
He was a liar.....you cannot deny that
He was a hypocrite....You cannot deny that.
He was all about greed.....You cannot deny that.
If you do deny any of those things, just go read the countless media articles written about this. Like I said, we are not making this stuff up. Its in the books.
I think many of you have this "hero" aura around Sundin. You just don't want to diminsh or tarnish it with how he left so you put it out of your brain.
He was a hockey player that missed the playoffs a crap load of times and got paid millions and millions of dollars to play a game.
Stop the hero worship.....it sickens me.
If he was infront of me, we would be able to stare into each others eyes because we are the same size as I knock out his front teeth. I do not HATE any man, but I sure do dislike that traitor.
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