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11-11-2012, 12:40 AM
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Nds90 is right. We've got to get rid of the takers.

They just take, take, take.

The take like a Koch brother takes all those Oil subsidies.

Like those damned takers in Iowa with their corn subsidies.

And how about those takers in New Jersey these days. Just takers taking stuff.


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11-11-2012, 12:43 AM
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No, I don't.

Got any numbers or studies to back up that it's "a lot more than a few"? Then I might get an idea.
I thought this was kind of interesting.

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/1...ntive-to-work/

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11-11-2012, 12:43 AM
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Nds90 is right. We've got to get rid of the takers.

They just take, take, take.

The take like a Koch brother takes all those Oil subsidies.

Like those damned takers in Iowa with their corn subsidies.

And how about those takers in New Jersey these days. Just takers taking stuff.


Take Take Take Take Take.
A great example of a straw man

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11-11-2012, 12:46 AM
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Encouraging severely affected welfare recipients not to have children by having a tubal ligation/vasectomy instead of encouraging them to have children by giving them more money when they have more children will actually help the welfare problem long term and the overall well being of society.

As of now , we are strongly encouraging people in misery to breed while discouraging the best members of society to do so.It's not to say children of struggling people can't be intelligent and great humans at their purest form , but the struggle they will face by being raised in such an environnement and unstable parent will statistically transform them into an unstable person themselves.


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11-11-2012, 12:48 AM
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Pacifism, if I were PM, I would probably never use the military in any way

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Its been mentioned a few times, so I will say, I don't think free education is unfeasible. Just make people pay it back after they graduate with 0 interest (or maybe very low interest for high paying jobs, if it was necessary) at a rate that is feasible for their income/family size/cost of living in their city etc.

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11-11-2012, 01:20 AM
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Self-reliance is something that doesn't exist in our western societies. It has been tried in underdeveloped States, with pretty much no success.

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11-11-2012, 01:33 AM
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Legalizing polygamy and nationalizing international bridges to Canada and utilities services (ConEd); in fact, I wouldn't have broken up AT&T in the early 80's, I would have nationalized that as well. Also, I'm pretty militant against adding any regressive taxation to the tax code and most education reform proposals, which is pretty strange in the current political climate.
Off topic, but how did you end up voting on prop six?

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11-11-2012, 01:35 AM
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Give everyone who hates America a free one-way ticket to get the **** out of my country and repeal the citizenship of those who have it in the process.
Why don't you get out of my country? I'm probably older than you, so i was here first.

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11-11-2012, 03:09 AM
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Triple the price of stamps. NOW!

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11-11-2012, 03:59 AM
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- Every generation we need to update and remove parts of the amendments. Do we really need the 15th amendment? Isn't that pretty much common sense now? Or 3rd amendment? But yeah, the amendments were not something that should be considered 'set in stone' type of deals. Revising them should have been mandatory.

- The United States needs to end their relation with Israel and let them deal with their own problems.

- Immigration should be made easier

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11-11-2012, 04:20 AM
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Anyone who is subsidized by the State should there by forfeit their right to vote in elections( ie. those on welfare, food stamps).
Sure would've been awkward to have Mitt Romney not being able to vote for himself.

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11-11-2012, 08:13 AM
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Yes, I think so. That would cost a fortune for everyone. This is why I believe in starting an RESP (that's what we call it in Canada at least) where you put $50 a month away for your children's education starting from the time they are born. By the time they go to college you may have $20,000 in there. If everyone does this no one has to pay for someone else's kid to be educated.
First what about the children that grow up in homes where the parents cant afford to put that kind of money away?

Second if post secondary education wasn't already subsidized in Canada. That $20,000 your suggesting every parent put away wouldn't be enough to pay for it.

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11-11-2012, 08:14 AM
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I think the concept of representative government is fast becoming outdated with the internet.

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Encouraging severely affected welfare recipients not to have children by having a tubal ligation/vasectomy instead of encouraging them to have children by giving them more money when they have more children will actually help the welfare problem long term and the overall well being of society.

As of now , we are strongly encouraging people in misery to breed while discouraging the best members of society to do so.It's not to say children of struggling people can't be intelligent and great humans at their purest form , but the struggle they will face by being raised in such an environnement and unstable parent will statistically transform them into an unstable person themselves.
Yes forced castrations for the poor. Great idea. Like they are a stray cat or a dog. Because nothing oppressive or Orwellian can come from the government deciding who has kids.

I can get behind the idea of reducing the amount of money we give to lower income people that have children but in no way shoud the government "suggest" or push tubal ligation/vasectomys on anyone especially based on how much money they have.

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11-11-2012, 08:53 AM
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Yes forced castrations for the poor. Great idea. Like they are a stray cat or a dog. Because nothing oppressive or Orwellian can come from the government deciding who has kids.

I can get behind the idea of reducing the amount of money we give to lower income people that have children but in no way shoud the government "suggest" or push tubal ligation/vasectomys on anyone especially based on how much money they have
Sorry for the misunderstanding but I was clearer in one of my previous post in the thread

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I support encouraging people in misery to accept having a tubal ligation/vasectomy in exchange of more welfare money.

Of course , they can refuse it without problem.

Take note that I don't include everybody that is on welfare here , more like people with intellectual disability and other similar problems that makes them unfit for parenting.
It's also not a matter of how much money they have at all , but how fit for parenting they really are.There is some people with severe intellectual disability having children with normally another person with a severe disability (because you rarely see a normal , sane person screwing around a intellectually deficiant person) and this is simply a recipe for disaster if they have children.This isn't eugenics per say , as it is not the genes we want to avoid , it is the result of the parenting of a) the intellectual deficients or b) the state youth system.

We all know some lazy ass holes on welfare smoking pot all day that aren't necessarily deeply morons past their way of life , I'm not talking about these people.


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11-11-2012, 09:38 AM
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I thought this was kind of interesting.

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/1...ntive-to-work/
I found that news cycle particularly funny. It seems like some conservatives are always begging the federal government to let states decide on more things, then the Obama administration actually does it and everyone's up in arms.

Politifact had a decent summary of the issue:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...bandons-tenet/
By granting waivers to states, the Obama administration is seeking to make welfare-to-work efforts more successful, not end them [based on a memo from HHS, which administers welfare]. What’s more, the waivers would apply to individually evaluated pilot programs -- HHS is not proposing a blanket, national change to welfare law.
So then there's something on that page about half of the population paying no federal income taxes. Via the Tax Policy Center, 2/3rds of households that pay no income tax do pay payroll tax, meaning they are working and contributing, they just qualify for enough tax breaks that they end up owing nothing in income taxes.

So then who paid neither payroll or income taxes? Mostly the elderly.



Only 7% of people left now, most of whom have income under $20k. That's pretty close to the current unemployment rating, and I think we can agree that those people need help.

How many of those people are "welfare queens"? Beats me. I have yet to see a single real study on it. That's why I was asking.

Out of curiosity, where are these people?



Michigan (even with Detroit) is ranked 20th.

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Does this include public employees, like teachers, nurses, etc...?
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Does it include people who use public universities, the court system, hospitals, public institutions? What about drive on publicly funded highways and bridges, use public transportation, public services such as pensions or workers compensation?

Newsflash, everyone is freaking subsidized by the state dumbass.
What did I do?

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What did I do?
It was directed at the other guy.

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A great example of a straw man
You need to broaden your horizons and realize that the takers like the Koch brothers are far more dangerous to the future of the Union.

Better to offer up a strawman than to be castigated as a stupid man.

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11-11-2012, 12:27 PM
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We should spend less than we make.

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We should spend less than we make.
No More Home Loans.

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No More Home Loans.
Time to pay cash for those cars.

What great ideas to grow the economy.

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Off topic, but how did you end up voting on prop six?
I ended up voting no on six, but it is sort of a "Here's my vote, don't **** it up" to Snyder. If he does, which is likely, then it's clear he is a right wing ideologue who doesn't understand the concept of learning from mistakes.

I'm more concerned about the failure of Prop 2, Right to Work seems like it could happen now.

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No More Home Loans.
I meant the government haha...I can see how "we" is misleading though whoops

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