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Dougie Hamilton 316 64.36%
Morgan Rielly 137 27.90%
too close to call 38 7.74%
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12-29-2012, 01:16 AM
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Today's game by Morgan Rielly, 1 goal and 2 assists against Slovakia, shows just how off this poll is. More than that it's how he played when Canada was down 0-2, he was the catalyst along with Ouellette and Schiefle in leading Canada back against the trap Slovakian team that almost upset the Russians. Marvellous player with talent and smarts.
If against the USA dougie hamilton gets 2g 2a, will that make him better?

Rielly is more of a specialist while hamilton is more of a jack of all trades. However both are high end.

Im going to wait until the end of the wjcs until i pass my judgement on the two but until now rielly's skillset is more intriguing to me than Hamilton's. And in terms of performance, Hamilton has been given big minutes, is on the #1pp, plays with Nugent Hopkins, Huberdeau and Schiefele for the most part and has still managed to be mostly a non-factor against two pretty easy teams. I hope he steps up his game against tougher competition, we are going to need our #1 Dman playing well against the americans and the russians.

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I don't know who will be the better long term player. Hamilton's size advantage is real and significant, but a little less so if he doesn't end up using it (which in the limited 5 or 6 times I've seen him, he hasn't). I like Reilly with the puck on his stick better than Hamilton, but that's a small part of a defenseman's job.

I'll say that Reilly has looked better in this tournament to me, but that doesn't mean a whole lot. I'd pick Hamilton because if he DOES use his size he brings more dimensions, but if he doesn't improve his physical play as he moves forward then I think Reilly's hockey sense may make him the better player.

So Hamilton for now gets the nod....

but I'd take Trouba and Jones over both of them.

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12-29-2012, 09:12 AM
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If against the USA dougie hamilton gets 2g 2a, will that make him better?

Rielly is more of a specialist while hamilton is more of a jack of all trades. However both are high end.

Im going to wait until the end of the wjcs until i pass my judgement on the two but until now rielly's skillset is more intriguing to me than Hamilton's. And in terms of performance, Hamilton has been given big minutes, is on the #1pp, plays with Nugent Hopkins, Huberdeau and Schiefele for the most part and has still managed to be mostly a non-factor against two pretty easy teams. I hope he steps up his game against tougher competition, we are going to need our #1 Dman playing well against the americans and the russians.

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Rielly is a year younger, he also pratically missed a year in his draft year. If he hadn't there is no telling how high he would have gone.

You can't really compare both players because both play different games, you wouldn't ask Lidstrom to put players through the boards because he could beat you in other ways, nor would you ask Weber to make end to end rushes.

From watching the summer and subway series and factoring both their ages and the junior teams they play for, it is clear to me Rielly has a much more intriguing skill set. We've seen it already this tournament, he rarely takes a penalty and when he touches the puck good things usually happen.

I believe Hamilton will have a good long career in the NHL, but a lot of his game in 3 series have left me saying is this all he has? He was suppose to be Canada's best D man, but we are in our 3rd series and we are still waiting. Trouba is showing more, Ouilette and Harrington are also. And in limited ice time Rielly has. Not sure why you still need to see more to make a judgement. There's a pattern developing here.


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Right now I take Hamilton without thinking twice.

Hamilton's had an underrated tournament. His size and range for his poke check will be one of his most valuable assets. Him being 6'5 or 6'6 and putting up the offensive numbers he has in the OHL is amazing.

Rielly has more raw offensive skill. He's a great skater with great vision. However, he does have holes in his game. He's a little undersized. I also see him trying to make the fancy play rather than the smart play which leads to a couple giveaways. Sometimes he looks lost in the defensive zone. The good thing for him is he can improve in these areas. I still think Hamilton will be better and I'm really worried that the Bruins play in the same division as the Sens because of him.

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Right now I take Hamilton without thinking twice.

Hamilton's had an underrated tournament. His size and range for his poke check will be one of his most valuable assets. Him being 6'5 or 6'6 and putting up the offensive numbers he has in the OHL is amazing.

Rielly has more raw offensive skill. He's a great skater with great vision. However, he does have holes in his game. He's a little undersized. I also see him trying to make the fancy play rather than the smart play which leads to a couple giveaways. Sometimes he looks lost in the defensive zone. The good thing for him is he can improve in these areas. I still think Hamilton will be better and I'm really worried that the Bruins play in the same division as the Sens because of him.
Right now Hamilton is being counted on as the #1 dman, and is getting a majority of ice time as well as playing with the top pairing. He is a returning player and is being counted on in all situations. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt if he was focusing on strictly defence, but there are countless times where I've seen him jump up in the rush, taking multiple shots to the net without traffic. Numbers in the OHL are important, but if he is planning on taking those high risk chances of jumping up in the rush in Boston, I'm pretty sure Claude Julien would send him back to juniors or atleast the AHL.


Rielly is the youngest defenceman on the team, in his first world jrs in a different country playing limited minutes. I can understand if he's nervous, but he was still brought on Team Canada for a reason. If it wasn't for last game, I would be just as critical to Rielly as I am to Hamilton. If he was brought in to produce offence, than he should produce offense. Playing on Moose jaw and producing decent numbers on a mediocre but offensively challenged team can give you the benefit of the doubt, but not on Team Canada.

I expected more from both of them, but right now, Hamilton has been the bigger disappointment, especially for Team Canada fans.

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Right now I take Hamilton without thinking twice.

Hamilton's had an underrated tournament. His size and range for his poke check will be one of his most valuable assets. Him being 6'5 or 6'6 and putting up the offensive numbers he has in the OHL is amazing.

Rielly has more raw offensive skill. He's a great skater with great vision. However, he does have holes in his game. He's a little undersized. I also see him trying to make the fancy play rather than the smart play which leads to a couple giveaways. Sometimes he looks lost in the defensive zone. The good thing for him is he can improve in these areas. I still think Hamilton will be better and I'm really worried that the Bruins play in the same division as the Sens because of him.
Just a few things I wanted to comment on:
1) Rielly isnt undersized. 6'05 205 pounds is a decent size and hasnt limited the likes of kieth and letang. He is still 18 and growing too. Could very well be 6'1 210 when fully developped
2) Rielly may look fancy but he usually makes the smart play. Just watch him, the puck is on his stick for usually max a second. He takes it and passes it off right away. He only dangles when he has no other passing options. I have never seen him try to 1v1 someone when had an open man.
3) Yes sometimes he does look lost in the defensive zone.

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Rielly has played only 51 games since his draft year, to prepare to play in this tournament, with playing as few games as he has and to play well to this point it really projects well for his future.

In comparison Hamilton has played 149 games from his draft year to this year's tournament, one has to wonder just how much better Rielly would be next year if he had the same foundation as Dougie has had for this same tournament?

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Interesting that uberstud all-situations hamilton is getting no PK duty for canada.

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Interesting that uberstud all-situations hamilton is getting no PK duty for canada.
I can't find Niagra time on ice stats, so I don't know if Hamilton plays the majority of PK minutes there, but yeah I was a little surprised to see he wasn't killing penalties for Team Canada.

I think people see 6'5" and think that means he's a big physical shutdown kinda player, but I haven't really seen that kind of d from him yet.

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I also see him trying to make the fancy play rather than the smart play which leads to a couple giveaways.
Interesting, I'd say what's most impressive about Rielly is that he always seems to make the right play with the puck, but to each his own I guess.

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I can't find Niagra time on ice stats, so I don't know if Hamilton plays the majority of PK minutes there, but yeah I was a little surprised to see he wasn't killing penalties for Team Canada.

I think people see 6'5" and think that means he's a big physical shutdown kinda player, but I haven't really seen that kind of d from him yet.
The OHL doesn't keep track of TOI.

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Morgan Rielly: the Slovak Assassin.

No but seriously. Rielly has played great in the WJC so far. Really good on the power play. Very composed with the puck. Doesn't seem to be used in defensive situations too much so I haven't gotten a good read on his defensive game too much.

Hamilton looks like a guy with sky high potential. Also very good with the puck but not quite as comfortable as Rielly but still great and a guy you don't mind in a Powerplay situation. Very good defensively and once he becomes more comfortable in his big lanky frame should be a true shutdown #1 Defenseman.

Rielly has all the tools to be a 50 point Defenseman. I don't know if he'll be a true #1 guy though which Hamilton probably will become.

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Right now Hamilton is being counted on as the #1 dman, and is getting a majority of ice time as well as playing with the top pairing. He is a returning player and is being counted on in all situations. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt if he was focusing on strictly defence, but there are countless times where I've seen him jump up in the rush, taking multiple shots to the net without traffic. Numbers in the OHL are important, but if he is planning on taking those high risk chances of jumping up in the rush in Boston, I'm pretty sure Claude Julien would send him back to juniors or atleast the AHL.


Rielly is the youngest defenceman on the team, in his first world jrs in a different country playing limited minutes. I can understand if he's nervous, but he was still brought on Team Canada for a reason. If it wasn't for last game, I would be just as critical to Rielly as I am to Hamilton. If he was brought in to produce offence, than he should produce offense. Playing on Moose jaw and producing decent numbers on a mediocre but offensively challenged team can give you the benefit of the doubt, but not on Team Canada.

I expected more from both of them, but right now, Hamilton has been the bigger disappointment, especially for Team Canada fans.
I'm not saying Hamilton has been amazing. But with the way you hear him talked about so far, you'd think he's been on the ice for all Canada's goals against. I've really liked his defensive game. He hasn't shown much offensively so far, except one pretty good assist I remember against Germany (the one where he was offside). I've found at times he's looked disinterested and I hope he'll show his true potential against the United States and Russia in the next two days.

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Interesting, I'd say what's most impressive about Rielly is that he always seems to make the right play with the puck, but to each his own I guess.
I'm just going off what I've seen so far. He doesn't do it every time, but I have seen it a couple times. Based on the reactions I've got so far I must just be catching him at bad times. I've only seem him play twice in the WHL this season and he was the best player in the game both times. I'm just going off what I've seen so far which is two WHL games and three Canadian games.

What's interesting is his ice time vs Germany. I don't know where to find the official stats, but it kept getting lower and lower. Very surprising based on his skill level. I'd easily rather have him out there than Murphy.

Bottom line, I still take Hamilton. I'm not taking away anything from Rielly, because I see great things in him. I just like what Hamilton brings to the table. For comparison, I've seen Hamilton five times in the OHL and in three Canadian games this season.

On a side note: the Northeast Division is gonna be stacked in the future. Karlsson, Hamilton, Rielly, Cowen, Myers, Subban and Gardiner all have great potential.

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Until the World Juniors are over I think the Canadians on here who are either Maple Leafs fans or Bruins fans should put aside the Hamilton vs Rielly debate. Even though we might like different NHL teams one thing we have in common is wanting Canada to win Gold, so we need to both Hamilton and Rielly playing their best games at 100%.

Now I enjoy debating Hockey topics like everyone else on here, however I think everyone forgets is Dougie Hamilton and Morgan Rielly have nothing to do with each other. They weren't involved in trading of draft picks like Kessel vs Seguin. So why are we trying to compare them with each other?

However I do wish when others such as Bob McKenzie who is well respected happens to say Morgan Rielly was the better player in the same tournament where Dougie Hamilton was also on the same team, for the Bruins fans not to get offended and thinking that he is trying make a Maple Leafs prospect look better just because it's Toronto.

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As a Habs fan with absolutely no partiality towards a Bruins or Leafs prospect, I'd take Rielly. I like Hamilton's size and the pace/accuracy of his passing, but I actually become less impressed with him as a "total package" the more I see him, whereas the opposite is true of Rielly.

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For those who see a lot of OHL games, is this the Dougie you see on most nights? What I mean is, in the games I've in the summer series and now the WJC I've been surprised at how he really hasn't imposed his presence on the game. I don't know if it's just the nature of playing on an all star team and trying to fit in as opposed to trying to be "the guy".

Is he usually more assertive, aggressive and more of a presence (other than just being a big shot on the pp) in the OHL?

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For those who see a lot of OHL games, is this the Dougie you see on most nights? What I mean is, in the games I've in the summer series and now the WJC I've been surprised at how he really hasn't imposed his presence on the game. I don't know if it's just the nature of playing on an all star team and trying to fit in as opposed to trying to be "the guy".

Is he usually more assertive, aggressive and more of a presence (other than just being a big shot on the pp) in the OHL?
I'm not really sure.

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The more I see Hamilton, the one I am left wanting to see more...MUCH more from him.

Struggling to give and take passes today..

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The more I see Hamilton, the one I am left wanting to see more...MUCH more from him.

Struggling to give and take passes today..
I thought he was much better today. Definitely better than Rielly in today's game.

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Neither guy really struggled today, but I though Trouba played better than either one of them. If only the US forwards had bothered to show up.

I'm really impressed by the defense of the Canadian forwards. They do such an excellent job in their own end stifling any kind of attack.

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I thought he was much better today. Definitely better than Rielly in today's game.
Rielly was capable of making passes so I dont see how that implies he was worse.

He created way more on the numerous powerplays.

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For those who see a lot of OHL games, is this the Dougie you see on most nights? What I mean is, in the games I've in the summer series and now the WJC I've been surprised at how he really hasn't imposed his presence on the game. I don't know if it's just the nature of playing on an all star team and trying to fit in as opposed to trying to be "the guy".

Is he usually more assertive, aggressive and more of a presence (other than just being a big shot on the pp) in the OHL?
Yes. I've only seen him about 5 games with him this season (usually Kitchener and Guelph games) but he is more aggressive. He is a strong presence out there at times, but sometimes he can be invisible. I really liked his game this morning and it was more indicative of his Niagara play minus the points, but for the earlier games, I saw the invisible side of him more.

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