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01-07-2013, 06:48 PM
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Something around Gardiner+ for Duchene?

Rielly hopefully can replace Gardiner, and Liles is already under contract for the next 4 years.
Yes, yes and more yes.

Unless we get Getzlaf through Free agency(or a soft trade), 100% we go in for a younger, franchise centre.

by all in I mean: Gardiner+1st+Kadri+mid-level Prospect and/or 2nd rounder.

you get a solid top 6 winger in kadri, a solid top 4 complimentary offensive d-man, a mid- late round first(by then we should have luongo) and then another decent prospect. That's slightly better than the trade for nash.

I'd Go for Getz first(he'd be cheapest.)
Then probably Duchene as they can afford to lose him and need D-men.

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Something around Gardiner+ for Duchene?

Rielly hopefully can replace Gardiner, and Liles is already under contract for the next 4 years.
I would be ok with that deal, as long as the + isn't too much, bu would the avs?

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01-07-2013, 06:51 PM
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I would be ok with that deal, as long as the + isn't too much, bu would the avs?
They have to re-sign O'Reilly, giving them Stastny and O'Reilly 1-2.

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01-07-2013, 06:52 PM
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I would be ok with that deal, as long as the + isn't too much, bu would the avs?
At this moment no. Another season of good play from O'Reilly and I'd say they'd consider it.

They have landeskog, and 3 top 6 centres. They are very weak on defense though.

He wouldn't necessariyl be available, paul stastny would be, but I would go a little extra to get duchene, duchene is a franchise centre that we need.

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01-07-2013, 06:54 PM
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Something around Gardiner+ for Duchene?

Rielly hopefully can replace Gardiner, and Liles is already under contract for the next 4 years.
I've thought that frame work for a deal quite a bit and it be a good fit(after we clear up the +)


The problem I have is, If Colorado trades Duchene, They have two guys who would make it seamless in O'Reilly and Statsny.

We don't have that yet. If we loose Gardiner, It a much bigger hole in the immediate future. So for me I don't know if I could make that deal without guys Rielly, Finn, Blacker or Nilsson making impression on the big club.

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01-07-2013, 06:57 PM
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I've thought that frame work for a deal quite a bit and it be a good fit(after we clear up the +)


The problem I have is, If Colorado trades Duchene, They have two guys who would make it seamless in O'Reilly and Statsny.

We don't have that yet. If we loose Gardiner, It a much bigger hole in the immediate future. So for me I don't know if I could make that deal without guys Rielly, Finn, Blacker or Nilsson making impression on the big club.
It's definitely a short-term risk.

Rielly would replace him immediately, but yes we still need another guy like him.

I wouldnt hate it too much, Finn has alot of potential, as well as numerous other prospects.(no telling who pops up on UFA as well.)

Gardiner is a big piece to let go, but that #1 C hole is a bigger need.

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I've thought that frame work for a deal quite a bit and it be a good fit(after we clear up the +)


The problem I have is, If Colorado trades Duchene, They have two guys who would make it seamless in O'Reilly and Statsny.

We don't have that yet. If we loose Gardiner, It a much bigger hole in the immediate future. So for me I don't know if I could make that deal without guys Rielly, Finn, Blacker or Nilsson making impression on the big club.
Liles concussion issue is the only thing that might be a concern.

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01-07-2013, 08:05 PM
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outside of luongo deal, i wouldnt expect much more on the trade front etc for this season. its this summer i am excited about. all that cap space and a buttload of UFAs set to hit the market. hopefully most make it to market.
There lies the rub.

I remember the same hopes expressed about Stamkos, Tavares...

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01-07-2013, 08:08 PM
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2 solid points! and agree totally with both!

I would also add that if they retain at least $2m of his salary for the duration of his contract i would be good with that too.

3.3 M for Lu over 10 years is fine by me even if he does retire in 5 years.

With all that said... Wouldn't Van just buy him out next year anyways???? They wont pay 5.3 against the cap for a back up!!! Maybe patience this year and sign him to a deal that makes sense next year! IMO ride Reims and Scrivens this year and go after Lu as a FA next IF Reims cant be a #1.
Sure, why trade for him and get a sure thing when you could compete against a number of teams for his services, thus pushing his cap hit up?

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01-07-2013, 08:20 PM
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Yes, yes and more yes.

Unless we get Getzlaf through Free agency(or a soft trade), 100% we go in for a younger, franchise centre.

by all in I mean: Gardiner+1st+Kadri+mid-level Prospect and/or 2nd rounder.

you get a solid top 6 winger in kadri, a solid top 4 complimentary offensive d-man, a mid- late round first(by then we should have luongo) and then another decent prospect. That's slightly better than the trade for nash.

I'd Go for Getz first(he'd be cheapest.)
Then probably Duchene as they can afford to lose him and need D-men.
Thats an insane price for Duchene. He is not a franchise centre.

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01-07-2013, 08:28 PM
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If I'm gonna go for broke, the two guys I would trade for would be Evander Kane and Matt Duchene. One has apparently fallen out of favour with his city, the other has stopped caring and needs a change of scenery.
Do we have the assets? Probably not. But I say **** Luongo, let's go after a goalie in the off-season when teams are buying out guys, and the market floods with goalies. In the short term, sign Dan Ellis for this year, split starts with Reimer and see if he can get his mojo back. Save the assets to set up the front end for good.

First

To Winnipeg
Gardiner
Colborne
MacArthur
Scrivens
2nd 2014

To Toronto
Kane

Next

To Colorado
Kadri
Blacker
Connolly (Salary - expring)
Mid level prospect (D'Amigo/McKegg/Ross)

To Toronto
Duchene
Ryan O'Byrne

Lupul - Duchene - Kessel
Kane - Grabovski - Kulemin
JVR - Bozak - Frattin
Komarov - McClement - Brown

Phaneuf - Gunnarsson
Liles - Ranger/Rielly/O'Byrne
Holzer - O'Byrne
Komi/Ranger/Rielly

Reimer
Ellis

Fire away!


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Something around Gardiner+ for Duchene?

Rielly hopefully can replace Gardiner, and Liles is already under contract for the next 4 years.
Gardiner, Bozak (to give them Stastny, O'Reilly, Bozak down the middle), Mac (shores up their wings), Colborne, one of Percy/Finn, and a pick? I dunno.

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If I'm gonna go for broke, the two guys I would trade for would be Evander Kane and Matt Duchene. One has apparently fallen out of favour with his city, the other has stopped caring and needs a change of scenery.
Do we have the assets? Probably not. But I say **** Luongo, let's go after a goalie in the off-season when teams are buying out guys, and the market floods with goalies. In the short term, sign Dan Ellis for this year, split starts with Reimer and see if he can get his mojo back. Save the assets to set up the front end for good.

First

To Winnipeg
Gardiner
Colborne
MacArthur
Scrivens
2nd 2014

To Toronto
Kane

Next

To Colorado
Kadri
Blacker
Connolly (Salary - expring)
Mid level prospect (D'Amigo/McKegg/Ross)

To Toronto
Duchene
Ryan O'Byrne

Lupul - Duchene - Kessel
Kane - Grabovski - Kulemin
JVR - Bozak - Frattin
Komarov - McClement - Brown

Phaneuf - Gunnarsson
Liles - Ranger/Rielly
Holzer - Komi
Ranger/Rielly

Reimer
Ellis

Fire away!
Dat top 9. Don't think Winnipeg or Colorado does it though.

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To Toronto
Duchene
Ryan O'Byrne

Lupul - Duchene - Kessel
Kane - Grabovski - Kulemin
JVR - Bozak - Frattin
Komarov - McClement - Brown

Phaneuf - Gunnarsson
Liles - Ranger/Rielly
Holzer - Komi
Ranger/Rielly


Reimer
Ellis

Fire away!
Fire!

You trade for O'Byrne and then send him to the minors?

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To Winnipeg
Gardiner
Colborne
MacArthur
Scrivens
2nd 2014

To Toronto
Kane

Next

To Colorado
Kadri
Blacker
Connolly (Salary - expring)
Mid level prospect (D'Amigo/McKegg/Ross)

To Toronto
Duchene
Ryan O'Byrne
These are horrible for the other teams, especially the 2nd deal.

I'd be shocked if the Jets moved Kane. They signed him for 6 years and I think they play to build around him. If they did move him, they could do way better.

That 2nd deal is terrible for the Avs. Kadri has value yes, but Blacker isn't worth much these days due to a lack of success in the AHL, Connolly has barely any value, and a mid level prospect is obviously nothing special.

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You trade for O'Byrne and then send him to the minors?
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These are horrible for the other teams, especially the 2nd deal.

I'd be shocked if the Jets moved Kane. They signed him for 6 years and I think they play to build around him. If they did move him, they could do way better.

That 2nd deal is terrible for the Avs. Kadri has value yes, but Blacker isn't worth much these days due to a lack of success in the AHL, Connolly has barely any value, and a mid level prospect is obviously nothing special.
I know Duchene is Duchene, but frankly, he sucked last year. Like sucked...he hasn't really proven that he is that guy. Neither has Kadri, and his upside is obviously not as high as Duchene, but that is why Colorado gets more. Switch Blacker with Percy. Better?

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I know Duchene is Duchene, but frankly, he sucked last year. Like sucked...he hasn't really proven that he is that guy. Neither has Kadri, and his upside is obviously not as high as Duchene, but that is why Colorado gets more. Switch Blacker with Percy. Better?
Yes, he had a terrible season, but the Avs would be foolish to trade him away after 1 bad season after he looked so damn good his first 2 seasons, including his rookie year.

Percy might make it slightly better, but I still don't think it's even close to what the Avs would be looking for.

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Yes, he had a terrible season, but the Avs would be foolish to trade him away after 1 bad season after he looked so damn good his first 2 seasons, including his rookie year.

Percy might make it slightly better, but I still don't think it's even close to what the Avs would be looking for.
Stastny, O'Reilly, or Duchene, who would you take for your top 2?

Cap might be part of the consideration, but I think the Avs could use another good young defender to fit in with their age group.

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Stastny, O'Reilly, or Duchene, who would you take for your top 2?

Cap might be part of the consideration, but I think the Avs could use another good young defender to fit in with their age group.
If I had to trade 1 I'd probably trade Stastny, but it would obviously depend on what the trade offers are like.

But if I'm them I'm running with 3 centers right now similar to how the Pens did. I think they've also tried Duchene on the wing so there's that option too.

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If I had to trade 1 I'd probably trade Stastny, but it would obviously depend on what the trade offers are like.

But if I'm them I'm running with 3 centers right now similar to how the Pens did. I think they've also tried Duchene on the wing so there's that option too.
IF I recall correctly thats due to him coming back from a concussion or something.

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