Anyways, that Uher kid.... it sounds like Sundqvist is similar to him, but with better size. Physical, tenacious and has scoring potential. Two of those type of prospects in the system
I'm a tad worried about Sundqvist. He has all this potential and size and talent, but I don't think he even got invited to the Swedish WJC camp. I know it isn't the be all and end all and his game may be more suited to NA hockey, but it doesn't fill me with confidence about his actual hockey skill.
I'm a tad worried about Sundqvist. He has all this potential and size and talent, but I don't think he even got invited to the Swedish WJC camp. I know it isn't the be all and end all and his game may be more suited to NA hockey, but it doesn't fill me with confidence about his actual hockey skill.
IIRC someone said Aberg didn't get an invite either. I could be wrong, not sure, but Sundqvist is a perfect example of a project. I see top-6 potential, but that's unlikely. With that said, I think he has an NHL career ahead of him. There's always the possibility he just remains in Europe to keep a scoring role.
Realistically, I see a bottom six player that could score a Max Talbot goal here and there...or a bust....
Even if Sundqvist doesn't amount to anything, he was a 3rd round pick, so it's not like some horrible loss. I think he's got a good shot at the WJC team next year, but it was a project-pick kind of draft, IMO, so those are the types of players the Pens ended up with mostly.
Sundqvist didnt get invited. But as i said in the prospect thread, neither did Aberg. We also have to keep in mind that the swedish WJC team dont have a huge camp roster like Canada. They only cut like 1 forward and 1 defenseman. So its harder to crack the camp roster to begin with since its close to the final team.
And i have lost all faith in Thiessen. I wanna see the new goalie get a shot this weekend.
are you kindding me? 2nd in rookie scoring and tied for 16th in the whole league. he is not a bust.
beau is a beast. just wish he would score more goals.
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Even if Sundqvist doesn't amount to anything, he was a 3rd round pick, so it's not like some horrible loss. I think he's got a good shot at the WJC team next year, but it was a project-pick kind of draft, IMO, so those are the types of players the Pens ended up with mostly.
dont know why he wasent invited to the wjc camp. do you?
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Reason: Triple post.
Yeah, there's no precedent for a 25 year old AHL goalie of the year with no NHL experience being worth anything in a trade.
When he had some value, he could have been worth a 4th round pick. Now, teams won't even offer a 7th. As it was said, I'd like to see Johny in WBS, but I don't think he would sign there to be an AHL backup.
Thiessen sucks, heīs too small and lost all his confidence, itīs not even funny. He is just the worst goalie in the league, just play anybody else and it will be better.
Also, Iīm not very impressed by Tangradi. Heīs just stagnating/developing too slowly. His defense still isnīt there, let alone basic playmaking skills. Yeah, heīs a powerforward, but not even close to NHL level, let alone Top6. I donīt want to give him more time, he had it and is still the same. Heīs not that top6 solution. Just no. And everyone should accept and realize it.
On the other hand, Bennett is almost 3 years younger and is already so much more complete player. So much better than Big Dog. You can immediately see that talent there. Heīs putting up points more and more after that slower start which is impressive. He is way over 1.00 PPG average for last letīs say 14 games... Heīs getting better every game. Beau WILL DO amazing thing with Sid as soon as next year. He just has it. Heīs our only real talented young forward, so I consider Beau clearly our most important prospect! If for example Morrow doesnīt make that progress, we still have Harrington, Maatta, Despres, Dumoulin, Pouliot in the bank. We donīt have that luxury with Bennett, guy just has to make it and he WILL.
As for Morrow, I donīt know... Heīs probably still a long-term project. He looks to me like a worst WBS Dman overall. Yeah, he had some nice moments, but is just too vulnerable and inconsistent. Just needs some time, but I am wondering if he really has made that required progress from last year. So far away from NHL level still. At least 2 years.
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Even during his AHL goalie of the year season, Thiessen would not have gotten a 4th round pick. It's all about projection. Teams would know, and they wouldn't waste a decent pick for a potential NHL player for one who was never going to become one.
Even during his AHL goalie of the year season, Thiessen would not have gotten a 4th round pick. It's all about projection. Teams would know, and they wouldn't waste a decent pick for a potential NHL player for one who was never going to become one.
Mark Letestu. Only had 27 points total while mostly playing along Neal and Kovalev in 2011. He got a 4th. Imagine that line with Malkin, that makes me shiver.
Mark Letestu. Only had 27 points total while mostly playing along Neal and Kovalev in 2011. He got a 4th. Imagine that line with Malkin, that makes me shiver.
Totally different positions and situation. Hence, different value. Letestu is an NHL player. Thiessen hadn't proven anything at the NHL level, nor did he have the size or pedigree to become an NHL goalie. We weren't trading Thiessen for anything more than the value he brought to us. It's really a pointless conversation.
Totally different positions and situation. Hence, different value. Letestu is an NHL player. Thiessen hadn't proven anything at the NHL level, nor did he have the size or pedigree to become an NHL goalie. We weren't trading Thiessen for anything more than the value he brought to us. It's really a pointless conversation.
He had... uh, potential? Yeah, I got nothing. If we wanted to trade him, we should have done that after his all-star season, and he would only have gotten us something back if he would have been packaged with someone. Then again, I doubt the Pens expected him to fall off the earth like he did.
He had... uh, potential? Yeah, I got nothing. If we wanted to trade him, we should have done that after his all-star season, and he would only have gotten us something back if he would have been packaged with someone. Then again, I doubt the Pens expected him to fall off the earth like he did.
I agree but there was no point to trade him. That's all I'm saying. We just signed Zatkoff this off season. Thiessen was our starter so why would we have traded him? Anyway, I'm done with this conversation
Thiessen sucks, heīs too small and lost all his confidence, itīs not even funny. He is just the worst goalie in the league, just play anybody else and it will be better.
Also, Iīm not very impressed by Tangradi. Heīs just stagnating/developing too slowly. His defense still isnīt there, let alone basic playmaking skills. Yeah, heīs a powerforward, but not even close to NHL level, let alone Top6. I donīt want to give him more time, he had it and is still the same. Heīs not that top6 solution. Just no. And everyone should accept and realize it.
On the other hand, Bennett is almost 3 years younger and is already so much more complete player. So much better than Big Dog. You can immediately see that talent there. Heīs putting up points more and more after that slower start which is impressive. He is way over 1.00 PPG average for last letīs say 14 games... Heīs getting better every game. Beau WILL DO amazing thing with Sid as soon as next year. He just has it. Heīs our only real talented young forward, so I consider Beau clearly our most important prospect! If for example Morrow doesnīt make that progress, we still have Harrington, Maatta, Despres, Dumoulin, Pouliot in the bank. We donīt have that luxury with Bennett, guy just has to make it and he WILL.
As for Morrow, I donīt know... Heīs probably still a long-term project. He looks to me like a worst WBS Dman overall. Yeah, he had some nice moments, but is just too vulnerable and inconsistent. Just needs some time, but I am wondering if he really has made that required progress from last year. So far away from NHL level still. At least 2 years.
Must have been some real low lights at the video session today.No where for Morrow to hide with a game like that.
For those that follow the AHL closely, other than Bennett, do any of the youngsters actually look promising enough to project to a future top six role with the big club? Or is he the Pens only hope that's not a longshot?
For those that follow the AHL closely, other than Bennett, do any of the youngsters actually look promising enough to project to a future top six role with the big club? Or is he the Pens only hope that's not a longshot?
I'd say Kuhnhackl, but he is more of a long shot. Still, it could happen. I can't think of anyone else worth mentioning. Maybe Blueger if he shifts to the wing, but I can see him as the future 3rd line center. Megna hasn't been bad either.
For those that follow the AHL closely, other than Bennett, do any of the youngsters actually look promising enough to project to a future top six role with the big club? Or is he the Pens only hope that's not a longshot?
I think Bennett is our only really serious hope, but a big one. Heīs getting there, thatīs for sure. Kudos to Ray for drafting him. It was a pretty risky choice but seems like a really good one now.
Iīm done with Tangradi. Yeah, maybe Megna is really fast and interesting, but still has a lot to prove to even come close to being considered in questions like this. I still havenīt seen enough of him, though.. Kuhnhackl, Bluegers and also Zlobin are looongshots with at least a very slight chance (better than nothing, but one impactful player out of them would be a GREAT success in our current situation).
I like Kuhnhackl and his chances of making the NHL. He's got size, a wicked shot and pretty good IQ from what I've seen. He's not really soft either. Once he gets (and hopefully stays) healthy and adjusts to the pro game more, I think he could do some good things.
Iīm done with Tangradi. Yeah, maybe Megna is really fast and interesting, but still has a lot to prove to even come close to being considered in questions like this. I still havenīt seen enough of him, though.. Kuhnhackl, Bluegers and also Zlobin are looongshots with at least a very slight chance (better than nothing, but one impactful player out of them would be a GREAT success in our current situation).
Sounds to me like somebody's been putting a little too much emphasis on stats. Hynes said the following just last month:
"The way [Tangradi]'s playing now, he's getting his goals the way he's going to need to get his goals in the National Hockey League," Hynes said. "He's a dominant factor in the offensive zone. He's getting pucks in. He's moving his feet. He's attacking the net. The way he's playing now is the same game he's going to have to play at the next level."
I think he has a solid chance at carving out a career as Brouwer-type complementary scoring line guy. Big body, net-front presence, physical forechecker who creates room for his linemates.
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it sounds like Sundqvist is similar to him, but with better size. Physical, tenacious and has scoring potential. Two of those type of prospects in the system 
No where for Morrow to hide with a game like that.
