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Lupul Vs Hemsky

View Poll Results: Lupul Vs. Hemsky
Lupul neutral fan 34 45.33%
Hemsky neutral fan 19 25.33%
Lupul Leaf fan 11 14.67%
Hemsky Oiler fan 11 14.67%
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11-14-2012, 09:54 PM
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Lupul Vs Hemsky

Both have a history of injuries. Both are the same age

Hemsky
Point totals

30,34,77,53,71,66,22,42,36,21

559 games played 124 G 307 A 431 P

.77 ppg

Lupul
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34, 53, 28, 46, 50, 14,13,4,18,67

515 games played 151 G 172 A 323 P

.62 ppg

Who would you take on the wing going into the future

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11-14-2012, 10:14 PM
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Lupul's cheaper, but I'm not sure if that's a part of the poll.

I'll probably go with Lupul, as he seems to be a late bloomer, while Hemsky looks past his prime. It could easily change at any moment though.

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11-14-2012, 10:15 PM
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Probably Lupul

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Hemsky is better but I would take Lupul for sure.

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The one coming off of the point per game season.

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Lupul is coming off his 1 fluke season where he somewhat finally lived up to expectations and HF hates Hemsky so I expect Lupul to run away with this one even though his career thus far hasn't been even close to Hemsky's.

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11-14-2012, 11:10 PM
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Twice on Sundays.



He's simply far better than Lupul. He put up better numbers than Lupul while he was facing the top defense pairings... While Lupul was always given easier matchups. He was sheltered in Anaheim, Philadelphia, and Edmonton and still couldn't clear 53 points until last season.

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I was worried that HF would be focused on the last season results so I posted all point totals. Its clear Hemsky had had more consistant point totals and has a career high of 77.

FTR Hemsky is capable of making plays by himself and has seen plenty of line mates. Id worry that Lupul was a product of Kessel.

Id expect Lupul to win since HF is "what have you done for me lately"

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11-14-2012, 11:25 PM
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I was worried that HF would be focused on the last season results so I posted all point totals. Its clear Hemsky had had more consistant point totals and has a career high of 77.

FTR Hemsky is capable of making plays by himself and has seen plenty of line mates. Id worry that Lupul was a product of Kessel.

Id expect Lupul to win since HF is "what have you done for me lately"
What do you mean you were worried? You wouldn't create a poll and try to influence people to vote for your guy because you're afraid he might lose, would you?

Haha in all seriousness, Lupul appears to be the better player at this point in time, regardless of past production, so I'll quite easily take him. Both very comparable guys though, good poll.

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I was worried that HF would be focused on the last season results so I posted all point totals. Its clear Hemsky had had more consistant point totals and has a career high of 77.

FTR Hemsky is capable of making plays by himself and has seen plenty of line mates. Id worry that Lupul was a product of Kessel.

Id expect Lupul to win since HF is "what have you done for me lately"
hfboards: where Phil Kessel is only the 25th best forward in the league, but can carry a player to a point per game+ season.

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What do you mean you were worried? You wouldn't create a poll and try to influence people to vote for your guy because you're afraid he might lose, would you?

Haha in all seriousness, Lupul appears to be the better player at this point in time, regardless of past production, so I'll quite easily take him. Both very comparable guys though, good poll.
haha fair point, maybe worried was wrong wording. Should of said it concerns me that people only take it previous year point totals when voting without looking at other factors (pt totals is one of many factors) when voting. If someone votes after considering different factors I wouldnt care if one player was taken over the other, but if people only vote based on point totals then yeh its concerning

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11-15-2012, 12:21 AM
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A healthy, on-his-game Ales Hemsky is one of my absolute favourite players in the league, but his injuries/injury history concerns me more than Lupul's. Though I'm not really up to speed on either of them regarding their health, in fairness.

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I would take Hemsky. He would fit good on the Habs, especially next to his countryman Plekanec and Gionta on the 2nd line.

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Lupul.

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11-15-2012, 01:13 AM
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I can't vote Hemsky Leafs fan?

I voted Hemsky neutral fan. He is one of the best playmaking wingers in the game when healthy, and I can't even imagine how good he would look playing 60-70 games with Phil Kessel in an uptempo system.

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Haha in all seriousness, Lupul appears to be the better player at this point in time, regardless of past production, so I'll quite easily take him. Both very comparable guys though, good poll.
Hemsky is one of the only players on the Oilers capable of driving play, even coming off an injury on a 29th place team...

Hemsky and Hall are really good
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Three Oilers's forwards held their heads above water during the 2011-12 season. Two are obvious - Ales Hemsky and Taylor Hall. Hemsky has done this time and time again as an Oiler and is still criminally underrated by the fans and media.
On the flip side, even this past season, when Lupul had a career year, he was still in the negative when it comes to 2-way play.

The Leafs should trade Joffrey Lupul
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Let's look at it this way: with Joffrey Lupul on the ice, the team scored 3.59 goals per 60 minutes, which was the highest on the Leafs last season. However, the Leafs also gave up a remarkably 3.77 goals against.
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The Leafs need to win games 4-2 more often. Lupul is a primary reason why they lose 5-4.

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Hemsky for me. When the puck is on his stick he can control the pace of a game like no one else on the Oilers. It's a thing of beauty.

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Oiler fan saying "Neither"

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In the last 7 seasons, Hemsky has had a better PPG every season aside from last year. Add Yakupov/Eberle to his line and I think he'll return to PPG.

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Hemsky is one of the only players on the Oilers capable of driving play, even coming off an injury on a 29th place team...

Hemsky and Hall are really good


On the flip side, even this past season, when Lupul had a career year, he was still in the negative when it comes to 2-way play.

The Leafs should trade Joffrey Lupul
Those statistics mean nothing out of context.

Lupul's GF/60 On was 1.55 higher than his GF/60 Off, vs his GA/60 On being 1.46 higher than his GA/60 Off (net difference of +0.09). It's still not a huge difference so it isn't like he's a great two-way player, but I don't like how those statistics out of context suggest he had a net negative contribution to the team. Also take into account the fact that he Corsi Rel QoC was 0.512, vs his Corsi Rel QoT which was 0.040.


Ales Hemsky's GF/60 On was 0.40 lower than his GF/60 Off, and his GA/60 On was 0.37 lower than his GA/60 Off (net difference of -0.03). Hemsky's Corsi Rel QoC was 1.279 vs a Corsi Rel QoT of 1.500, so his quality of teammates was actually higher that his quality of competition (the opposite of Lupul). So if anybody's overall play could be considered negative out of the two, it is Hemsky (although it is close).

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Hemsky is better, but I think Hemsky is far more injury prone, so based on that alone I'd take Lupul.

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Van fan here voting Hemsky. Only knock on him is the injury history when compared to Lupul.

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As much as I want to not say Hemsky due to how he's talked about on here, its him pretty easily.

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If I was forced to take one, I guess I would flip a coin, but I really would go out and get someone else if there was any way at all.

Either way, they will be out of the lineup half the season.

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A neutral fan voting for Hemsky.

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