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11-16-2012, 10:09 PM
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11-16-2012, 10:10 PM
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I wonder if Fehr was a hockey fan before he was hired by the NHLPA?
What makes you think Fehr is a hockey fan?

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11-16-2012, 10:13 PM
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Kevin Paul Dupont Tweet:

Increasing talk that Goodenow is calling in advice to Fehr, NHLPA.

That oughta help. Oh, yeah.


It has to be a joke. There is no friggin' way they are going to go back to him for advice. Unless they want to know what it is like to lose another season.

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11-16-2012, 10:13 PM
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Once the NHL lightens its stance on the linked cap, the NHLPA will budge on contracting issues.
the NHL will NEVER change it's stance on the linked cap. The sooner you (and more importantly Fehr) accepts that the sooner we can make some progress.


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11-16-2012, 10:13 PM
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What makes you think Fehr is a hockey fan?
Does it matter either way?

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11-16-2012, 10:15 PM
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Does it matter either way?
not at all.

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11-16-2012, 10:16 PM
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the NHL will NEVER change it's stance on the linked cap. The sooner you (and more importantly Fehr) the sooner we can make some progress.
I think he had it backwards. The contracting issues seem more important to the players. I can definitely see the owners backing off of their player contract demands, and the players accepting a linked cap with make-whole.

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not at all.
Phew Butch, you had me worried there for a sec.

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11-16-2012, 10:18 PM
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It has to be a joke. There is no friggin' way they are going to go back to him for advice. Unless they want to know what it is like to lose another season.
"Whatever you do Don, don't turn your back on anyone."

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11-16-2012, 10:18 PM
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Just as Gary does what the owners want, Fehr does what the players want.
Difference is most of the owners know something about business, accounting, etc etc, the players no nothing of this and get all their information from a guy who waddled his way back into the spot light looking for a war against sports owners once again.

and no the players do what they want based on what Fehr believes and tells them. Its quite different

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11-16-2012, 10:21 PM
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Difference is most of the owners know something about business, accounting, etc etc, the players no nothing of this and get all their information from a guy who waddled his way back into the spot light looking for a war against sports owners once again.

and no the players do what they want based on what Fehr believes and tells them. Its quite different
This is key. While Fehr is correct in that he acts on the players behalf and will do whatever they tell him to do, they're basing their decisions on the information he's framing for them.

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11-16-2012, 10:22 PM
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Yeah, if the NHLPA wants to meet and they pull the same cute BS they pulled the last time like Fehr showing up 6 hours late, the NHL should just pull the damn plug and show them how to really play hardball.
I was kind of hoping that GB and BD would show up a couple hours late. Then once they get there they say their greetings and then spend about 20 minutes getting themselves a drink.

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11-16-2012, 10:27 PM
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This is key. While Fehr is correct in that he acts on the players behalf and will do whatever they tell him to do, they're basing their decisions on the information he's framing for them.
exactly, its like when Fehr runs out with his "proposals," all the mouthpieces talk how great the proposals were and yet the numbers werent even run. Just shows who is running the show and it isnt the players. They just say what Fehr wants them to believe and they have been eating it up.

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11-16-2012, 10:29 PM
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Could very easily mean they are hardlining on them. Crosby has already come out and said publicly the players will not back down on contracts.
And in 2004 Brad Richards came out and said publicly that the union would NEVER agree to a salary cap.

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11-16-2012, 10:30 PM
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Just as Gary does what the owners want, Fehr does what the players want.
Haha.

A group of 700 players - only about half of which have high school diplomas - are telling Fehr what to do? Not likely. They are asking for his help because they are too dumb to know what to do.

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11-16-2012, 10:31 PM
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And in 2004 Brad Richards came out and said publicly that the union would NEVER agree to a salary cap.
Lmao this. The players looked foolish before, and they will again. This much is clear to me.

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11-16-2012, 10:32 PM
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And in 2004 Brad Richards came out and said publicly that the union would NEVER agree to a salary cap.
Hell, that idiot Bryan McCabe said he would retire before playing under a salary cap. For being retired, he got plenty of ice time.

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11-16-2012, 10:34 PM
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Anyone got any cliff notes on the progress or lack there of, since Monday?

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It has to be a joke. There is no friggin' way they are going to go back to him for advice. Unless they want to know what it is like to lose another season.
Going by the semantics of the tweet, they aren't going to Goodenow, he's the one approaching them.

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I have no doubt that the NHL will go to the table with the PA next week, but only if the PA has something new to say/propose.

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http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/201...at-lose-money/

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NHL Lockout: Why do billionaires keep buying teams that lose money? (Updated)

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It has to be a joke. There is no friggin' way they are going to go back to him for advice. Unless they want to know what it is like to lose another season.
well Fehr is closing in on taking them down the same path lol. Soon enough they maybe able to compare notes

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11-16-2012, 10:42 PM
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One of the key selling points of the PA's stance was that they gave back so much in the last negotiation and they shouldn't have to do it again and then Darche comes out and said that players were able to make all of their money back since? That comment seems counter productive to the message the PA is sending - especially if coming from Darche because he's been a real loud mouth during these negotiations. Are you guys sure that was transcribed correctly?

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11-16-2012, 10:49 PM
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Anyone got any cliff notes on the progress or lack there of, since Monday?
Crosby said the union would never agree to allow rookie contracts to be extended to 5 years (this is not actually in the league's proposal).

Fehr told Bettman he didn't have anything to say and didn't know how to proceed.

Bettman answered by saying to call him back in two weeks.

Ian White called Bettman an idiot.

Mark Recchi said the PA should smarten up and take the deal.

Eric Lindros said whatever Don Fehr said two months ago.

The players don't want to take two weeks off and told Fehr to go negotiate again.

The NHL hasn't responded yet.

Fehr told the players that if they want to continue, it's going to hurt financially a lot.

Latendresse expressed regret about not signing two earlier offers.

Bunch of other guys said the NHL sucks and Recchi just wants to get a job with the NHL.

Bill Daly mailed a graph of what the NHLPA wants to Michael Russo. It's somewhere between 64% and 77% in year one, depending on whose projections you believe.


That's where we're at.

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11-16-2012, 10:56 PM
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I think a good concession that the NHL should give to the players is a fully paid introductory course in economics when they are drafted. I'm not being facetious either; something that allows players to be better decision makers would benefit everyone.

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