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11-17-2012, 11:53 PM
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By that logic, only 1/10th of the teams thought he deserved to be picked there. I'd call that a reach
Meh, when it comes to the ducks and drafting defensemen, they usually know what they are doing.

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11-18-2012, 12:06 AM
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Justin Schultz.

#1 Defenseman.

40+ pts most years (could hit 2/3 50 pts in his prime), very useful in all situations.
I have watched schultz and I really think he can crack 50+ points on a regular basis. We will see how his play translates to the NHL though.

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11-18-2012, 12:08 AM
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I'll go with Strome.

Second line center for the Isles (under JT) and capable of 70 points.

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11-18-2012, 12:48 AM
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I'll try to find some links for you, the GM was questioned why he didn't trade down, and said after their due dilligence there was no way they could have traded down and taken him and Minnesota was thought to of been for sure going to take him

Pierre says he knows two teams had Lindholm in their top 5, so two other teams rated Lindholm as highly as Anaheim did
That, and right after, before Fletcher went up to the podium, he had the most angry/disappointed expression I have ever seen on him. More than likely because the Ducks snagged Lindholm right before his eyes.

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11-18-2012, 01:30 AM
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I'm pretty sure , Lindholm was in Ottawas top 5 aswell.

He was not a reah at all.

Guys got amazing skill.

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11-18-2012, 03:06 AM
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By that logic, only 1/10th of the teams thought he deserved to be picked there. I'd call that a reach
By this logic, it implies Pierre knows all 30 teams draft boards.

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11-18-2012, 03:15 AM
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Team: Leafs
Top prospect: Morgan Rielly
Realistic potential: top pairing offensive dman, elite in terms of offence, skating, puck moving, and hockey IQ, with acceptable defence
Point production in prime: pace of 50-60 points per 82 games


I consider all of this to be optimistic, but still decently realistic. It's an "if he pans out well" type scenario, but not going so far as "if he pans out perfectly." If you want to be pessimistic, going with an "if he pans out somewhat poorly" type scenario, then we'd be looking at more of a John-Michael Liles type career (40-50 pts/82 games with excellent skating/puck moving, but prone to getting physically dominated, with well below average defence). As long as he stays healthy I can't see him being too much worse than Liles, he's just too talented.

Becomes JM Liles = meh, a bit disappointing, but still a solid NHLer
Becomes Christian Ehrhoff = panned out decently well
Becomes Erik Karlsson, minus the crazy elite shot = panned out great, pretty much hit his max upside


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11-18-2012, 03:22 AM
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Top Prospect: Sven Baertschi

Potential: 80-85 point first line winger.

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11-18-2012, 05:40 AM
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Just so everyone knows 21 players hit the 70 point or higher mark last year. Yet somehow this thread "realistically" has that amount of prospects already doing it. Unless the NHL is about to see an explosion in scoring these projections are a bit on the high end in my opinion. 70 points would really be on the far end of the window. Like with Nyquist I could say 55-70, sure he could score more but that would be his ultimate ceiling. Guys like Parise and Iginla didn't hit that number last year, it is hard to score 70 points in this league.

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11-18-2012, 08:28 AM
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Team: Flames
Top Prospect: Sven Baertschi

Potential: 80-85 point first line winger.
So you are telling me Baertschi will be a top 10 player in points? A bit optimistic.

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11-18-2012, 09:00 AM
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So you are telling me Baertschi will be a top 10 player in points? A bit optimistic.
No that's just the 'realistic' outcome...

If all goes well he will be a perennial 150 pt scorer

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11-18-2012, 09:30 AM
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I don't think the Hawks have any prospects that are legitimate top line players - no top line forwards, no top pairing d-men and no goalies with NHL potential to be a starter.

What the Hawks have is a glut of guys with NHL potential - Saad, McNeill, Danault, Pirri, Teravainen, M.Hayes, J.Hayes, Beach, Morin, Shalunov, Fournier, Johns, Olsen, Lalonde, Clendening, Carruth.

I'll be happy if a couple forwards turn out to be 50 point scorers and a d-man or 2 end up being NHL'ers.

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11-18-2012, 09:33 AM
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imo.

Tyler Biggs

next Callahan/Brown

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11-18-2012, 09:42 AM
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Dougie Hamilton and it's not close by any means.

His realistic potential is a #1 offensive defenseman. Above average defensively, but no where near Chara.

Next up is either Spooner or Subban. Subban is a really risky prospect, meanwhile Spooner is pretty likely to be, at worst, an effective NHL player. I'd say his realistic potential is a 1st-2nd line tweener, Subban is too young to project. He won't be ready for a couple of years. Griffith is another really risky prospect. Has a terrific offensive skillset, he's 2nd in the league in the OHL, but he lacks the size and speed. Don't know how he'll transform that into an NHL game. Don't exactly need to worry about that, though. He's a looong ways off. He has the potential, but his work is all but cut out for him.

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11-18-2012, 09:58 AM
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Just so everyone knows 21 players hit the 70 point or higher mark last year. Yet somehow this thread "realistically" has that amount of prospects already doing it. Unless the NHL is about to see an explosion in scoring these projections are a bit on the high end in my opinion. 70 points would really be on the far end of the window. Like with Nyquist I could say 55-70, sure he could score more but that would be his ultimate ceiling. Guys like Parise and Iginla didn't hit that number last year, it is hard to score 70 points in this league.
I agree 100%, people here have unrealistic expectations. if you're looking for maximum potential then yeah what I see looks about right. unfortunately most poster think the upper side of their favourite prospect is 80 to 100 points. Since the last lockout, the most 80 points player we've had in a single season is 28 which was right after the new CBA. We have had a steady decline since and last year we had 9. So, if you use that as a gauge, 80% of you are wrong.

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11-18-2012, 10:24 AM
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Oilers:

Not going to count first overalls.

Justin Schultz:

Realistic: 40 pts - Top 4 defender - Great offensive instincts

Hopeful: 50 pts - Top 2 defender

Oscar Klefbom:

Realistic: Sick name and a leader - 20 pts - Great defensively - Top 4 defender

Hopeful: Just providing more offense than expected as his defensive game looks sound. - Top 2 defender

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11-18-2012, 12:13 PM
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Top prospect is Morgan Rielly, but since other people have already listed his realistic potential I'll go with one of the maple leafs other secret gems. Matt Finn. I'd say projected second pairing dman playing on the second pp and prolly first pk. 25-30 pts

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Alex Galchenyuk

Outcome: #1 Centre, 75-85 points

Comparable: Jonathan Toews

Nathan Beaulieu

Outcome: #3 D-Man, 45-60 points

Comparable: Mike Green

Sebastian Collberg

Outcome: 2nd Line Winger, 55-65 points

Comparable: Daniel Alfredsson

Louis Leblanc

Outcome: Top 6 Forward, 50-65 points

Comparable: Mike Richards


Brendan Gallagher

Outcome: Top 6 Forward, 50-65 points

Comparable: Ryan Callahan
Now all you need is your next draft pick to be comparable to Sidney Crosby and you'll be set for the next decade.

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11-18-2012, 01:02 PM
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For Calgary the obvious answer is Baertschi and while he is most likely to reach his full potential I do think Gaudreau has more potential.

I believe that Gaudreau is a higher skill player with incredible agility, vision and his clutch ability who if he can overcome his deficiency in size has the tools to have a hall of fame career. I am not saying I expect this, I just mean I think that is his absolute top end if everything goes right. With Baertschi I see him topping out as a regular all-star if everything goes right. But Baertschi has a much better chance at reaching his full potential.

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11-18-2012, 01:26 PM
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Lmao, someone give Montreal the cup now.



His realistic potential is elite number 1 goalie, imo. Upside is franchise Lundqvist-like.
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Scott Laughton

Realistic: 3C, 35-45 points with above-average D.

Max upside: 2C, 50-60 points with above-average D.

Comparable: Mike Richards lite.

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11-18-2012, 01:55 PM
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Top prospect is Morgan Rielly, but since other people have already listed his realistic potential I'll go with one of the maple leafs other secret gems. Matt Finn. I'd say projected second pairing dman playing on the second pp and prolly first pk. 25-30 pts



Now all you need is your next draft pick to be comparable to Sidney Crosby and you'll be set for the next decade.
Toews, Richards, Alfredsson and Callahan? They're already set, they don't even need defense or goaltending

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11-18-2012, 01:55 PM
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Team: Flames
Top Prospect: Sven Baertschi

Potential: 80-85 point first line winger.
I love Baertschi, but I see his production being more on par with Loui Eriksson. 65 - 75pt seasons.

You might be right, it's just my opinion.

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11-18-2012, 02:15 PM
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Prospect: Alex Galchenyuk
Realistic potential: #1 Centre
Point production in prime: 75-80 Points
NHL Comparable: Anze Kopitar


Prospect: Nathan Beaulieu
Realistic potential: #3 D-Man
Point production in prime: 45-50 Points
NHL Comparable: Mike Green lite


Prospect: Sebastian Collberg
Realistic potential: 2nd Line Winger
Point production in prime: 55-65 Points
NHL Comparable: Sniper version of Kris Versteeg


Prospect: Jarred Tinordi
Realistic potential: #3-4 D-Man
Point production in prime: 25 Points
NHL Comparable: More Talented Hal Gill


Prospect: Brendan Gallagher
Realistic potential: 2nd Line Winger
Point production in prime: 55-60 Points
NHL Comparable: Brad Marchand


Prospect: Louis Leblanc
Realistic potential: #2 Centre
Point production in prime: 60 Points
NHL Comparable: Mike Richards lite

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11-18-2012, 02:35 PM
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Alex Galchenyuk

Potential: 1st line two-way centre/winger capable of 70-80 points.
Realistic Projection: 2nd line two-way centre/winger capable of 55-60 points.

I'd say Galchenyuk most likely ends up somewhere in between those two. He's got some bad habits like trying to do too much, or being reluctant to shoot when he should. He's not the most explosive player, he's a very fast skater, but it takes him a while to reach his top speed. Very rarely do you get to skate in a straight line, so not very often do you get to him skate at full speed. Taking in to account those two things, I think that he'll take a fairly long time before he becomes a consistent offensive threat. Also his defensive game, while very good, is very inconsistent. At centre this year, it's been good, but this year at the wing, he can go from looking like a shutdown forward to a floater who doesn't care about his own zone.

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11-18-2012, 02:45 PM
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I love Baertschi, but I see his production being more on par with Loui Eriksson. 65 - 75pt seasons.

You might be right, it's just my opinion.
Yeah, that's probably more realistic.

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11-18-2012, 05:05 PM
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Zack Kassian -
Avg: 35 points
Player Type: PWF, 2nd liner

Nicolas Jensen
AVG: 50 points
Player Type: Big bodied 1st/2nd liner

Now I'll do someone no one has done:

Brendan Gaunce
AVG: 45 Points
Player Type: Big 2nd liner

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