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02-09-2005, 10:09 AM
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Pred stats for the last three years

just food for thought about consistency and production over the last three seasons,and predator team leaders during that span;

goals scored;
1)orszagh......47
2)legwand.....46
3)harnell.......44
4)walker.......44
5)arkhipov....40
6)johnson.....40
7)delmore.....34
8)johansson..32
9)timonen.....31
10)hall...........29
11)erat..........26

points scored;
1)timonen....126
2)legwand....125
3)walker......109
4)hartnell.....108
5)orszagh.....105
6)arkhipov.....98
7)johnson.....93
8)erat..........90
9)delmore.....72
10)hall..........56
11)johansson..54

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yes but all of Legwand points were gifts from other players........

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yes but all of Legwand points were gifts from other players........

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then there's this for those that pay attention to this stat;

combined plus/minus team leaders over last three years;

1)legwand +8
2)york +8
3)eaton +2
4)johansson -6
5)walker -7
6)erat -10
7)hamhuis -12
8)hall -16
9)zidlicky -16
10)hartnell -17
11)orszagh -20
12)johnson -28
13)arkhipov -38

faulty to some degree? of course...indicitive of general trends? inarguably true...but interesting i think when looked at globally over a period of time

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just food for thought about consistency and production over the last three seasons,and predator team leaders during that span;

goals scored;
1)orszagh......47
2)legwand.....46
3)harnell.......44
4)walker.......44
5)arkhipov....40
6)johnson.....40
7)delmore.....34
8)johansson..32
9)timonen.....31
10)hall...........29
11)erat..........26

points scored;
1)timonen....126
2)legwand....125
3)walker......109
4)hartnell.....108
5)orszagh.....105
6)arkhipov.....98
7)johnson.....93
8)erat..........90
9)delmore.....72
10)hall..........56
11)johansson..54
Johansson = .310 gpg; .310 apg
Walker = .269 gpg; .411 apg
Legwand = .209 gpg; .377 apg
Hartnell = .203 gpg; .296 apg
Timonen = .134 gpg; .411 apg
Erat = .142 gpg; .349 apg
Johnson = .198 gpg; .262 apg
Orszagh = .196 gpg; .242 apg
Arkhipov = .171 gpg; .248 apg
Hall = .182 gpg; .169 apg

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Johansson = .310 gpg; .310 apg
Walker = .269 gpg; .411 apg
Legwand = .209 gpg; .377 apg
Hartnell = .203 gpg; .296 apg
Timonen = .134 gpg; .411 apg
Erat = .142 gpg; .349 apg
Johnson = .198 gpg; .262 apg
Orszagh = .196 gpg; .242 apg
Arkhipov = .171 gpg; .248 apg
Hall = .182 gpg; .169 apg
yep,sounds about right

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This brings me to...

If nothing else..would anyone be opposed to re-signing Johansson for a year? When he was healthy(I know, I know) he was generally oneof our more consistent players. He looked pretty solid at center(with the exception of the power play) as well.

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Damn Arki put up some decent numbers

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This brings me to...

If nothing else..would anyone be opposed to re-signing Johansson for a year? When he was healthy(I know, I know) he was generally oneof our more consistent players. He looked pretty solid at center(with the exception of the power play) as well.
I wouldn't be opposed to it. It certainly options an answer to our need at Center.

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This brings me to...

If nothing else..would anyone be opposed to re-signing Johansson for a year? When he was healthy(I know, I know) he was generally oneof our more consistent players. He looked pretty solid at center(with the exception of the power play) as well.
I wouldn't mind re-signing him, I know what you're getting at ... does he center the Hall-Hartnell line or does he center the Orszagh-Erat line or does he center the Walker-Sullivan line?

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I wouldn't mind re-signing him, I know what you're getting at ... does he center the Hall-Hartnell line or does he center the Orszagh-Erat line or does he center the Walker-Sullivan line?
Yes yes and yes. He has centered them all I believe.

But we've also debated Sullivan and Walker being split up. Both are nat. RW's (edit: except for Walker who started out on defense) and so they could end up on the 1st and 2nd line respectively. AND if Hall does work out to be our 3rd/2nd line center, that only leaves AJ for the 4th/2nd line depending on where we put Johnson (if he returns). I daresay we wouldn't put the Captain of the team on the 4th line, would we?

But I'm babbling now.

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Yes yes and yes. He has centered them all I believe.

But we've also debated Sullivan and Walker being split up. Both are nat. RW's (edit: except for Walker who started out on defense) and so they could end up on the 1st and 2nd line respectively. AND if Hall does work out to be our 3rd/2nd line center, that only leaves AJ for the 4th/2nd line depending on where we put Johnson (if he returns). I daresay we wouldn't put the Captain of the team on the 4th line, would we?

But I'm babbling now.
we did with fitzgerald

i was surprised johansson wasn't at least offered a one year deal,just as insurance in case the center situation didn't/doesn't work itself out(between arkhpoiv making it back,hall making the conversion,possible trades,or possible free agents)

and this failure to sign him as insurance is what let's me know one of two things is definitely planned by management....either A) a trade to acquire another centerman or B) strong plans to pursue centers in the free agent market...which is exactly what i think is the plan


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I think somethings up with the center position. We didn't draft a ton in the draft, we let 2 go (should have let 3 go) and we don't have anyone with the Ads ready to move up the NHL.

I'm guessing we're going to bring in more than one FA.

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I think somethings up with the center position. We didn't draft a ton in the draft, we let 2 go (should have let 3 go) and we don't have anyone with the Ads ready to move up the NHL.

I'm guessing we're going to bring in more than one FA.
Nah...they're doing away with the center position in the new CBA...the new NHL will be roller hockey on ice.

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i still think it's fairly amazing that legwand is +14 better than any other frontliner on the team over the last three years than the next best +/- guy over the same period. Normally because of fairly consistent line pairings two or three guys tend to have similiar plus/minuses over time,certainly makes his numbers jump out at you...that and comparing him to our other two main centermen over this same time..johnson,who he's +36 over,and then arkhipov who he's +46 over speaks volumes about legwand's all round game....really demonstrates to me the gap that needs to be filled between legwand and johnson more than anything

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we did with fitzgerald

i was surprised johansson wasn't at least offered a one year deal,just as insurance in case the center situation didn't/doesn't work itself out(between arkhpoiv making it back,hall making the conversion,possible trades,or possible free agents)

and this failure to sign him as insurance is what let's me know one of two things is definitely planned by management....either A) a trade to acquire another centerman or B) strong plans to pursue centers in the free agent market...which is exactly what i think is the plan
considering we are about $4 mill under a $32 mill floor [if we sign Hall and Erat for an admittedly generous total of $2.2 mill] without even any rollback figured in. If there is a "franchise tag" that is not counted to the cap and floor...that may give us up to $7.5 mill under the floor.......with all that in mind I would expect to sign a couple of decent UFA centers when this is all said and done.....

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considering we are about $4 mill under a $32 mill floor [if we sign Hall and Erat for an admittedly generous total of $2.2 mill] without even any rollback figured in. If there is a "franchise tag" that is not counted to the cap and floor...that may give us up to $7.5 mill under the floor.......with all that in mind I would expect to sign a couple of decent UFA centers when this is all said and done.....
whew...think of the centermen 7 1/2 mil might buy...much less 10 million plus if there's any rollback

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This brings me to...

If nothing else..would anyone be opposed to re-signing Johansson for a year? When he was healthy(I know, I know) he was generally oneof our more consistent players. He looked pretty solid at center(with the exception of the power play) as well.
Itīs not possible now because he recently signed 2-years contract in Switzerland. He will stay in Switzerland if NHL will start or not.

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Itīs not possible now because he recently signed 2-years contract in Switzerland. He will stay in Switzerland if NHL will start or not.

That's not uncommon, though.

In the past, there's been players that sign those kind of deals, but there's always a "buy out" option in which the team or player can buy out of the contract. Given what players make in Europe(especially leagues that aren't one of the big three--Finland, Sweden, Russia) the buyout is usually chump change to the team or player. It happened not all that long ago, though which player it was escapes me at the moment.

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I infer the follwing from the stats...

#1) A damn defenseman is a top the scoring lists, so that tells how "great" our offensive forwards have been over the last three years.

#2) We haven't had a a consistent scorer over the last three years. Not even close to a consistent scorer.

#3) Walker would easily be a top this list, if not for injuries.

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I infer the follwing from the stats...

#1) A damn defenseman is a top the scoring lists, so that tells how "great" our offensive forwards have been over the last three years.

#2) We haven't had a a consistent scorer over the last three years. Not even close to a consistent scorer.

#3) Walker would easily be a top this list, if not for injuries.
1) Not necessarily. Timonen has way more assists, and mostly on the PP. Last year he had 32 assists, 22 came on the PP (12 goals, with 8 on the PP). So his point total could be a bit decieving. He's also played more games than most of our main scorers have in the last few years.

2) Injuries have really prevented that. Every year it seems that a different one of our main scorers goes out with an injury (or injuries). One that keeps him out for over 10 games at the least.
-Walker played the most he's ever played in a season (75 gms). The next high was 74 in 00-01.
-Legwand: Most games he's played (82) since 00-01 (81). Between that only 63, 64 games/season.
-AJ only played 47 gms this year, and never has played more than 70 in a season (01-02 NYR)
-Hartnell, Johnson both have missed significant time over the last 2 seasons as well.

3)Probably true.
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Speaking of Sullivan, I was looking at the stats and I remembered we got him for 2 2nd rd picks (04, 05). So, if there is no draft this year, what happens to that 2nd rd pick in the '05 draft? If they combine the '05 and '06 drafts is it just taken out of that 2nd round?

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1) Not necessarily. Timonen has way more assists, and mostly on the PP. Last year he had 32 assists, 22 came on the PP (12 goals, with 8 on the PP). So his point total could be a bit decieving. He's also played more games than most of our main scorers have in the last few years.

2) Injuries have really prevented that. Every year it seems that a different one of our main scorers goes out with an injury (or injuries). One that keeps him out for over 10 games at the least.
-Walker played the most he's ever played in a season (75 gms). The next high was 74 in 00-01.
-Legwand: Most games he's played (82) since 00-01 (81). Between that only 63, 64 games/season.
-AJ only played 47 gms this year, and never has played more than 70 in a season (01-02 NYR)
-Hartnell, Johnson both have missed significant time over the last 2 seasons as well.

3)Probably true.
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Speaking of Sullivan, I was looking at the stats and I remembered we got him for 2 2nd rd picks (04, 05). So, if there is no draft this year, what happens to that 2nd rd pick in the '05 draft? If they combine the '05 and '06 drafts is it just taken out of that 2nd round?
they will not, mark my words, combine the drafts. think about what that would do to contracts. anyone projected to go in the top two rounds would opt out and wait and become UFA for fear of falling into an undesirable round. it would be a nightmare in every way possible. if anything they'd hold two separate drafts back to back with different lotteries. so..at worst..we'd lost our 05 pick...and then pick in the next draft.

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