Blue Jays Discussion: Off-season Madness the 4th: and here we wait in trade-completion limbo

[The Nemesis]

carry on

[Morgan Gardiner]

I'd like to see...

IN: Melky Cabrera, Lance Berkman
OUT: Adam Lind, JP Arencibia

Batting order:
1. Jose Reyes
2. Brett Lawrie
3. Jose Bautista
4. Edwin Encarnacion
5. Melky Cabrera
6. Colby Rasmus
7. Lance Berkman
8. Emilio Bonifacio
9. John Buck

C - John Buck - Bobby Wilson - Travis D'Arnaud (AAA)
1B - Edwin Encarnacion - Lance Berkman
2B - Emilio Bonifacio
SS - Jose Reyes
3B - Brett Lawrie
LF - Melky Cabrera
CF - Colby Rasmus
RF - Jose Bautista
DH - Lance Berkman - Edwin Encarnacion

Utility OF:
Rajai Davis
Anthony Gose
Emilio Bonifacio
Moises Sierra

Utility IF:
Maicer Izturis
Mike McCoy

SP - Brandon Morrow
SP - Josh Johnson
SP - Ricky Romero
SP - Mark Buehrle
SP - J.A Happ

Bullpen:
Sergio Santos (CL)
Casey Janssen (SU)
Darren Oliver (SU)
Steve Delabar
Brad Lincoln
Esmil Rogers
Brett Cecil
Aaron Loup
Jeremy Jeffress
Luis Perez

[Bjindaho]

Originally Posted by Morgan Gardiner

I'd like to see...

IN: Melky Cabrera, Lance Berkman
OUT: Adam Lind, JP Arencibia

Batting order:
1. Jose Reyes
2. Brett Lawrie
3. Jose Bautista
4. Edwin Encarnacion
5. Melky Cabrera
6. Colby Rasmus
7. Lance Berkman
8. Emilio Bonifacio
9. John Buck

C - John Buck - Bobby Wilson - Travis D'Arnaud (AAA)
1B - Edwin Encarnacion - Lance Berkman
2B - Emilio Bonifacio
SS - Jose Reyes
3B - Brett Lawrie
LF - Melky Cabrera
CF - Colby Rasmus
RF - Jose Bautista
DH - Lance Berkman - Edwin Encarnacion

Utility OF:
Rajai Davis
Anthony Gose
Emilio Bonifacio
Moises Sierra

Utility IF:
Maicer Izturis
Mike McCoy

SP - Brandon Morrow
SP - Josh Johnson
SP - Ricky Romero
SP - Mark Buehrle
SP - J.A Happ

Bullpen:
Sergio Santos (CL)
Casey Janssen (SU)
Darren Oliver (SU)
Steve Delabar
Brad Lincoln
Esmil Rogers
Brett Cecil
Aaron Loup
Jeremy Jeffress
Luis Perez

I highly doubt that we could add the payroll to add those guys. It should be noted that a) if one of Bonifacio and Izturis is playing 2B every day, it should absolutely be Izturis and b) that people are forgetting how extreme Izturis's home-road splits have been (away from Angels stadium, he is nearly all-star calibre). There is also a reasonable chance that Bonifacio outperforms Melky this year (Fangraphs did an article on speed which essentially says that a guy with great speed (top 10 baserunner with high end defense because of his speed) will be an above average to all-star value player simply by being a replacement level hitter (see Bourn, Michael).

[DatsyukianDeke]

Originally Posted by Morgan Gardiner

I'd like to see...

IN: Melky Cabrera, Lance Berkman
OUT: Adam Lind, JP Arencibia

Batting order:
1. Jose Reyes
2. Brett Lawrie
3. Jose Bautista
4. Edwin Encarnacion
5. Melky Cabrera
6. Colby Rasmus
7. Lance Berkman
8. Emilio Bonifacio
9. John Buck

C - John Buck - Bobby Wilson - Travis D'Arnaud (AAA)
1B - Edwin Encarnacion - Lance Berkman
2B - Emilio Bonifacio
SS - Jose Reyes
3B - Brett Lawrie
LF - Melky Cabrera
CF - Colby Rasmus
RF - Jose Bautista
DH - Lance Berkman - Edwin Encarnacion

Utility OF:
Rajai Davis
Anthony Gose
Emilio Bonifacio
Moises Sierra

Utility IF:
Maicer Izturis
Mike McCoy

SP - Brandon Morrow
SP - Josh Johnson
SP - Ricky Romero
SP - Mark Buehrle
SP - J.A Happ

Bullpen:
Sergio Santos (CL)
Casey Janssen (SU)
Darren Oliver (SU)
Steve Delabar
Brad Lincoln
Esmil Rogers
Brett Cecil
Aaron Loup
Jeremy Jeffress
Luis Perez

Who did we get back for JPA ? no one ?

[ForzaZuffa]

Really don't want this to get lost in the shuffle of the new thread, this was a very important nugget from JJ's agent posted by eyedea:

I also found this little nugget by Matt Sosnick in Davidi's most recent SN article.
Quote:

This trade didn't just bring us back into relevance in the AL East, but it brings back the respectability players had for the Jays from 20 years ago.

The view of the team around the States and the MLB in general is improved exponentially by the move, that may be the biggest part of all

[blasted_Sabre]

Any rumblings on when its supposed to be approved?

[Buddio]

Trade is still pending physicals, right?

[ForzaZuffa]

Originally Posted by blasted_Sabre

Any rumblings on when its supposed to be approved?

Thursday or Friday. Olney said there's no precedence to overturn and it's extremely likely to be approved. No reason not to.

[Ohio Jones]

Originally Posted by ForzaZuffa

The view of the team around the States and the MLB in general is improved exponentially by the move, that may be the biggest part of all

Anthopolous' aggressive timing with this move has to be applauded. It changes the state of play for free agency with almost the entire market still out there. May even open up managing options that wouldn't have been there before. Bold, smart move.

[dredeye]

Originally Posted by Buddio

Trade is still pending physicals, right?

yeap. I'm sure it'll be announced today. Physicals should now be complete.

[TheTotalPackage]

I can't wait for this to be finally approved so we could hear from AA and the new members of the team. I want to hear (hopefully) the excitement of these players.

[RayzorIsDull]

I am trying to find the article I read the money that Reyes and Buehrle lose out on due to taxes and playing in Toronto is pretty insane. I think you can get a decent picture of why players don't want to sign here in free agency.

[NeverGoingToWin]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbade...medium=twitter

That may be the article.

[smitty10]

I'm so pumped for this! I just hope it ends up better than the last time the Jays spurged and got Burnett, Glaus and Ryan. That turned out disappointing, but this should be different. I really hope we grab a good LF and 2nd basemen, but even if this is it for the offseason (which it almost certainly isn't) I'd be very happy.

[Anthrax442]

Any idea how much money is still to spend by Rogers? I feel like the O's are going to go for broke this season and we need to keep up.

[Anthrax442]

Originally Posted by JaysLeafsTFCfan

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbade...medium=twitter

That may be the article.

Do players get paid as independent contractors? Don't they write off most taxes anyway?

[Eyedea]

Originally Posted by RayzorIsDull

I am trying to find the article I read the money that Reyes and Buehrle lose out on due to taxes and playing in Toronto is pretty insane. I think you can get a decent picture of why players don't want to sign here in free agency.

Could we get a figure of the tax rates in New York, Boston and other large cities? I'd like to think there's not a major difference between them.

[ryno23]

Originally Posted by RayzorIsDull

I am trying to find the article I read the money that Reyes and Buehrle lose out on due to taxes and playing in Toronto is pretty insane. I think you can get a decent picture of why players don't want to sign here in free agency.

There is no state income tax in these nine states Alaska, Florida, Nevada, South Dakota, Texas, Washington and Wyoming.

Ontario's tax rate is 29 % so that is a huge amount compared to any other US state.

Alabama: 5% on income over $3,000
Alaska: No income tax
Arizona: 4.54% on income over $150,000
Arkansas: 7% on income over $32,600
California:10.55% on income over $1 million
Colorado: flat 4.63% of federal taxable income
Connecticut: 6.5% on income over $500,000
District of Columbia: 8.5% on income over $40,000
Delaware: 6.95% on income over $60,000
Florida: No income tax
Georgia: 6% on income over $7,000
Hawaii: 11% on income over $200,000
Idaho: 7.8% on income over $26,418
Illinois: flat 3% of federal AGI with modifications
Indiana: flat 3.4% of federal AGI with modifications
Iowa: 8.98% on income over $63,315
Kansas: 6.45% on income over $30,000
Kentucky: 6% on income over $75,000
Louisiana: 6% on income over $50,000
Maine: 8.5% on income over $20,150
Maryland: 6.25% on income over $1 millio
Massachusetts: flat 5.3% on all income
Michigan: flat 4.35% of federal AGI with modifications
Minnesota: 7.85% on income over $74,780
Mississippi: 5% on income over $10,000
Missouri: 6% on income over $9,000
Montana: 6.9% on income over $15,400
Nebraska: 6.84% on income over $27,000
Nevada: no income tax
New Hampshire: 5% on interest and dividend income. Wages are not taxed.
New Jersey: 8.97% on income over $500,000
New Mexico: 4.9% on income over $16,000
New York: 8.97% on income over $500,000
North Carolina: 7.75% on income over $60,000
North Dakota: 4.86% on income over $373,650
Ohio: 5.925% on income over $200,000
Oklahoma: 5.5% on income over $8,700
Oregon: 11% on income over $250,000
Pennsylvania: flat 3.07% on all income
Rhode Island: 9.9% on income over $373,650
South Carolina: 7% on income over $13,700
South Dakota: no income tax
Tennessee: 6% on interest and dividend income. Wages are not taxed.
Texas: no income tax
Utah: flat 5% on all income
Vermont: 8.95% on income over $373,650
Virginia: 5.75% on income over $17,000
Washington: no income tax
West Virginia: 6.5% on income over $60,000
Wisconsin: 7.75% on income over $225,000
Wyoming: no income tax

Obviously its a huge pay cut coming up to play here and that is why you have to overpay on some guys to make up for the income tax. Most of tax shelters to hid money but still 29 % is a huge tax loss. Plus all the other taxes like CPP, EI, Health tax, Mcguinty tax(haha)

[calcal798]

Originally Posted by RayzorIsDull

I am trying to find the article I read the money that Reyes and Buehrle lose out on due to taxes and playing in Toronto is pretty insane. I think you can get a decent picture of why players don't want to sign here in free agency.

I'm sure AA factors that in when giving thema contract and would offer a higher contract to compensate for that.

[theaub]

Originally Posted by Anthrax442

Do players get paid as independent contractors? Don't they write off most taxes anyway?

They are definitely employees by all standards of the law. A good accountant can get rid of a decent sum of their taxes but there's certainly other items that no one can really deal with (ie provincial tax and some deductions)

[keslerburrows]

Last night some TSN baseball insider said he has heard that it will be approved today or at latest tomorrow.

[shakes]

I just want to see it approved. The longer it goes on the longer media and fan reaction runs wild and the more likely it gets declined for some ridiculous reason.

[p.l.f.]

notes on bonifacio:

-Missed the last 55 games of the regular season (sprained right knee).
-Has serious defensive deficiencies at several positions
-Strikes out far too much for a player who lacks power.
-Is also impatient at the plate.

1st half of the season

ss reyes
cf bonifacio

then along came ruggiano to take over cf
bonificia moved to 2b prior to getting hurt
reyes batted 3rd alot last few months

i can see bonifacio hitting 2nd in LF alot.......

[dredeye]

Originally Posted by Eyedea

Could we get a figure of the tax rates in New York, Boston and other large cities? I'd like to think there's not a major difference between them.

Apparently, Canada as whole has a much higher tax rate. Toronto is also said to be the highest cost of living market in all of the MLB including housing costs

[Eyedea]

Originally Posted by p.l.f.

notes on bonifacio:

-Missed the last 55 games of the regular season (sprained right knee).
-Has serious defensive deficiencies at several positions
-Strikes out far too much for a player who lacks power.
-Is also impatient at the plate.

1st half of the season

ss reyes
cf bonifacio

then along came ruggiano to take over cf
bonificia moved to 2b prior to getting hurt
reyes batted 3rd alot last few months

i can see bonifacio hitting 2nd in LF alot.......

He's better in all facets of the game compared to Rajai Davis.