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Reimers first season Vs Masons first season

View Poll Results: Who had the better first season
Reimer 6 3.30%
Mason 176 96.70%
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11-19-2012, 08:46 PM
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Reimers first season Vs Masons first season

After seeing an argument in the trade section i was wondering what the popular opinion was.

Who had the better first season between James Reimer and Steve Mason

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11-19-2012, 08:54 PM
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I don't see how anyone would pick James Reimer.

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11-19-2012, 08:56 PM
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Seriously?

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11-19-2012, 08:58 PM
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Mason's 20 times out of 10.

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11-19-2012, 08:59 PM
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Mason took the blue jackets to the playoffs... I'll repeat, "THE COLUMBUS BLUE JACKETS IN THE NHL PLAYOFFS"

Reimer couldn't do the same thing, and the leafs are a better team on paper

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This is a poll made in response to the James Reimer trade value thread where some internet white knight insisted if we put aside the facts, Reimer had a much better first season (In case you were wondering why this exists).

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11-19-2012, 09:11 PM
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Mason AINEC.

Seriously, it's not even close people.

Mason's 1st season >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reimer's 1st season.

Mason: Calder winner, 2nd in Vezina voting, 4th in Hart voting, took Blue Jackets (!!) to the playoffs
Reimer: *crickets*


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11-19-2012, 09:16 PM
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Based on the facts only it has to be Mason and I'm a Maple Leafs fan saying that.

However what Reimer did in his rookie year was also impressive because he did get 20 wins after playing his 1st NHL game on Janurary 1, 2011 and he at least saved the Maple Leafs from giving the Bruins another 1st round pick in the top 5 of the 2011 Draft.

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11-19-2012, 09:17 PM
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Mason won the Calder. Didn't he get a Vezina nomination too?

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11-19-2012, 09:51 PM
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Mason won the Calder. Didn't he get a Vezina nomination too?
Yes and named to the 2nd All-Star team.

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11-19-2012, 09:54 PM
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Mason's first season is better than a lot of people's first season, or any season they have.

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Clearly it's Mason...

Reimer only played a 1/3 of the season and as incredible as he was (their actual play I can see an argument for), Mason did it for a full seasons length.

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11-19-2012, 10:31 PM
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Obviously Mason.

On a side-note, whatever happened to him anyway? Fluke? Product of a Hitchcock system? Injury? A combination?

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Obviously Mason.

On a side-note, whatever happened to him anyway? Fluke? Product of a Hitchcock system? Injury? A combination?
Probably a little bit of both the 1st and 2nd. He wouldn't have been the first player to have a standout year, with everything falling into place for him, that they just couldn't reproduce.

Still, it was a terrific season for him, and while Reimer had a real nice season, it just wasn't on the same level.

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11-19-2012, 10:43 PM
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Haha, I love how you make a new thread and think this means anything.

BTW, for all those wondering, the initial argument was that Mason was worth more than Reimer NOW. An incredibly stupid claim.

As for the first season, yes, I would take Reimer. There is a lot of revisionist history going on around here.

Though, that is to be expected when there is a poll involving a Leaf player, so no surprise. Carry on.

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Haha, I love how you make a new thread and think this means anything.

BTW, for all those wondering, the initial argument was that Mason was worth more than Reimer NOW. An incredibly stupid claim.

As for the first season, yes, I would take Reimer. There is a lot of revisionist history going on around here.

Though, that is to be expected when there is a poll involving a Leaf player, so no surprise. Carry on.
No, there isn't. You just aren't willing to give credit where it was due, or you've got your own revision going with Reimer's season.

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Clearly it's Mason...

Reimer only played a 1/3 of the season and as incredible as he was (their actual play I can see an argument for), Mason did it for a full seasons length.
Yes, because 37 is 1/3 of 61.

And the actual play is what is being argued.

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Yes, because 37 is 1/3 of 61.
Seasons are 82 games Unless I'm missing something here.

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Haha, I love how you make a new thread and think this means anything.

BTW, for all those wondering, the initial argument was that Mason was worth more than Reimer NOW. An incredibly stupid claim.

As for the first season, yes, I would take Reimer. There is a lot of revisionist history going on around here.

Though, that is to be expected when there is a poll involving a Leaf player, so no surprise. Carry on.
Please, enlighten me.

Mason 2008-2009: Calder Trophy Winner, 4th in Hart voting, 2nd in Vezina voting, NHL 2nd team all-star. Not to mention he back-boned that pitiful team to a playoff trip.

Reimer 2010-2011: Tied 15th in Calder voting.

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Seasons are 82 games Unless I'm missing something here.
Yes, they are.

And Reimer played 37 games. And Mason played 61 games. So Reimer played more than 1/3 of a season, and Mason played less than a full season.

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Please, enlighten me.

Mason 2008-2009: Calder Trophy Winner, 4th in Hart voting, 2nd in Vezina voting, NHL 2nd team all-star. Not to mention he back-boned that pitiful team to a playoff trip.

Reimer 2010-2011: Tied 15th in Calder voting.

lol.
Yes, Mason got a bunch of placements in opinion-based voting (and lost all but one), for which Reimer was not eligible.

However, Reimer had the better stats, more consistent play, and a worse system (and arguably worse team) to deal with.

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I'm not sure how you can argue "more consistent play" when he played fewer games.

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Mason: 61 GP, .916 SV%, 2.29 GAA, 10 SO

Reimer: 37 GP, .921 SV%, 2.60 GAA, 3 SO

So Mason was the more valuable player had a slightly worse SV% but his counting stats & GAA were much better.

Not to mention did much better in the award voting in their respective first years.

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11-19-2012, 11:19 PM
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Mason: 61 GP, .916 SV%, 2.29 GAA, 10 SO

Reimer: 37 GP, .921 SV%, 2.60 GAA, 3 SO

So Mason was the more valuable player had a slightly worse SV% but his counting stats & GAA were much better.

Not to mention did much better in the award voting in their respective first years.

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Only problem is, GP, GAA, shutouts and award-voting has little to nothing to do with abilities as a goaltender, at least nowhere close to save percentage.

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Mason: 61 GP, .916 SV%, 2.29 GAA, 10 SO

Reimer: 37 GP, .921 SV%, 2.60 GAA, 3 SO

So Mason was the more valuable player had a slightly worse SV% but his counting stats & GAA were much better.

Not to mention did much better in the award voting in their respective first years.

/thread.
I think those numbers deserve a bit more perspective.

During Reimer's season, amongst goalies who played 30 or more games, there were 11 goalies with a .920 save%(or higher).

During Mason's season, amongst goalies who played 30 or more games, there were 5 goalies with a .920 save%(or higher).

We're seeing save percentages go up league wide.

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