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Reimers first season Vs Masons first season

View Poll Results: Who had the better first season
Reimer 6 3.30%
Mason 176 96.70%
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11-19-2012, 10:24 PM
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I think those numbers deserve a bit more perspective.

During Reimer's season, amongst goalies who played 30 or more games, there were 11 goalies with a .920 save%(or higher).

During Mason's season, amongst goalies who played 30 or more games, there were 5 goalies with a .920 save%(or higher).

We're seeing save percentages go up league wide.
And yet Reimer still placed higher in relation to his peers.

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11-19-2012, 10:24 PM
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Only problem is, GP, GAA, shutouts and award-voting has little to nothing to do with abilities as a goaltender, at least nowhere close to save percentage.
If that is the case, than Mason hasn't really been worse post first season than Reimer has post first season.

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11-19-2012, 10:25 PM
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And yet Reimer still placed higher in relation to his peers.
Playing 24 less games.

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11-19-2012, 10:40 PM
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Not to mention the league was (slightly) higher scoring in 2008-2009 compared to 2010-2011.

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11-19-2012, 11:04 PM
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If that is the case, than Mason hasn't really been worse post first season than Reimer has post first season.
Well yes, last year he was. And he has been bad for 3 seasons. Reimer has been bad for half of one injury-plagued season since his first year.

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11-19-2012, 11:10 PM
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Well yes, last year he was. And he has been bad for 3 seasons. Reimer has been bad for half of one injury-plagued season since his first year.
So you are ignoring the fact that Mason played a much larger sample of games his 1st year, but justifying that since he played more since (a larger sample), he is a lot worse?

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11-19-2012, 11:13 PM
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Chris Mason?

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11-19-2012, 11:23 PM
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Mason, easily. Raycroft too!

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11-19-2012, 11:39 PM
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So you are ignoring the fact that Mason played a much larger sample of games his 1st year, but justifying that since he played more since (a larger sample), he is a lot worse?
24 games in one season is very different from 128 over 3.

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11-20-2012, 12:13 AM
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Mason won the Calder. Didn't he get a Vezina nomination too?
Came in 2nd in voting. Probably would have won the damn thing if it wasn't for Jim Carey.

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11-20-2012, 01:50 AM
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Yes, Mason got a bunch of placements in opinion-based voting (and lost all but one), for which Reimer was not eligible.

However, Reimer had the better stats, more consistent play, and a worse system (and arguably worse team) to deal with.
I think I'll trust the opinions of the NHL GMs (who vote on the Vezina) and the opinions of the journalists who follow hockey for a living (who vote on the Calder) over your opinion.

And seriously, the guy had 10 shutouts. On Columbus. That's all you even need to know.

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11-20-2012, 05:00 AM
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They are both at best backup goalies.Neither one will ever be a #1 goalie for any length of time.Both are well below the 30 starters in the league.Some backups are better than both.
As for the poll it's Mason and this is one time where AINEC truely fits.

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11-20-2012, 05:21 AM
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Only problem is, GP, GAA, shutouts and award-voting has little to nothing to do with abilities as a goaltender, at least nowhere close to save percentage.
Bobby Ryan had 31 goals and 57 points in 64 games that year, yet Steve Mason won the calder over him and was 2nd for the Vezina Trophy. So even if his svs% wasn't anything incredible, he must have done something right. And as pointed out before, he played a whole lot more games than Reimer did in his rookie year.

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11-20-2012, 05:23 AM
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This poll isn't fair, Mason was the Calder winner, of course Reimer's season wasn't anywhere near Mason's.

I always see Leaf fans blaming their problems on the goaltending yet someone wants to compare Reimer's rookie season to Mason's rookie season?

If you want to compare Reimer's rookie season to last year for Mason, that's more like it. Then Reimer wins this.


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11-20-2012, 06:49 AM
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mason far better in first years and far better now.


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11-20-2012, 07:24 AM
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mason far better in first years and far better now.
Far better in his first season? Yes easily
Far better now? Your being too generous to Mason


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Based on the facts only it has to be Mason and I'm a Maple Leafs fan saying that.

However what Reimer did in his rookie year was also impressive because he did get 20 wins after playing his 1st NHL game on Janurary 1, 2011 and he at least saved the Maple Leafs from giving the Bruins another 1st round pick in the top 5 of the 2011 Draft.
Personally, I think his rookie year, at the end of the season, was a bit of an anomaly.

I'm not saying he didn't play well, because he did play well, it is just that the rest of the team played much better when they had nothing left to play for. Last year the team played badly in a lot of the games he played.

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Easily Mason who even took that team to the post season for the 1st time ever

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And yet Reimer still placed higher in relation to his peers.
If you had watched Mason play more than a couple of games in his rookie season it is easy to make this choice and say it is Mason. If you are the kind of guy who looks at stats and didn't see the games and wants to make a case for his guy, maybe you come up with something other than Mason was far better in his rookie season, but you would be coloring history to please yourself.

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11-20-2012, 08:23 AM
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Mason Reimer?

Good name.

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11-20-2012, 09:00 AM
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Haha, I love how you make a new thread and think this means anything.

BTW, for all those wondering, the initial argument was that Mason was worth more than Reimer NOW. An incredibly stupid claim.

As for the first season, yes, I would take Reimer. There is a lot of revisionist history going on around here.

Though, that is to be expected when there is a poll involving a Leaf player, so no surprise. Carry on.
Seeing I am who you are referring. I shall clarify. The thread was asking Reimer's value, and Toronto having to add a third is not a longshot claim because I suspect Columbus would prefer to just keep Mason.

As for the poll, well this went about how I anticipated. That is not to say Reimer did not have a great initial start to the NHL. He simply did not replicate what Mason accomplished.

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Far better in his first season? Yes easily
Far better now? Your being too generous to Mason
Cause reimer was so awesome last year? lol get out.
mason >

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Uh... Mason.

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Cause reimer was so awesome last year? lol get out.
mason >
Again, suffered a concussion, was off the ice for a month, then thrown back in with only a few practices against a Boston team that lit us up all season. Couple that with the fact that Wilson was incredible hard on him and played him incosistently and you get a mess that couldnt regain form. Miller is the perfect comparison in the situation, took him 2 months of playing almost every game to finally return to form after he was out with a concussion and this coming from an experienced vet, on of the best in the game. I know a perfectly reasonable and rational explination wont get through to you considering your the least reasonable, most ignorant and trollish poster on these boards, but that is the main cause of Reimers downfall last season. Not to mention Reimers "terrible" season was still better than Masons and was on par with his last 2 seasons prior.

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Again, suffered a concussion, was off the ice for a month, then thrown back in with only a few practices against a Boston team that lit us up all season. Couple that with the fact that Wilson was incredible hard on him and played him incosistently and you get a mess that couldnt regain form. Miller is the perfect comparison in the situation, took him 2 months of playing almost every game to finally return to form after he was out with a concussion and this coming from an experienced vet, on of the best in the game. I know a perfectly reasonable and rational explination wont get through to you considering your the least reasonable, most ignorant and trollish poster on these boards, but that is the main cause of Reimers downfall last season. Not to mention Reimers "terrible" season was still better than Masons and was on par with his last 2 seasons prior.
Do you think Reimer is a capable #1?

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