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Off-Season Madness the 6th: John Gibbons is back, can Josh Towers be far behind?

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11-20-2012, 09:56 AM
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Well, on one hand he was a cancer to a good chunk of the clubhouse, on the other he was friends with Zaun. I can't remember, but what was their previous history? Weren't they brought in from the same place?
Wait, Lilly, Hillenbrand, Bush and Thomas were a good chunk of the clubhouse? Two of them were the biggest egos in the league, and the other two were so bad that they deserved to be benched.

Everybody else from my understanding got along with Gibby, and quite a few really enjoyed him as a manager.

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Quotes from Johnny Mac this am on the radio per the Star:


“We loved playing for him,” former Jays’ infielder John McDonald told Sportsnet Fan590 radio Tuesday morning. “He was always fair.”

McDonald played under Gibbons in 2006, a season marked by controversial clashes between the manager and some of his players, including Shea Hillenbrand and Ted Lilly

“I wouldn’t call it controversy,” McDonald said. “I thought it was a manager taking control. He wasn’t going to take crap from anybody, whether it be on the field or in the clubhouse.”

McDonald said Gibbons always held players accountable.

“He cared so much to make sure everybody was on the same page going forward.”

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11-20-2012, 10:03 AM
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Some guy on twitter said

"People that hate this move are bandwagon fans, and know nothing about baseball"

Can't say I completely disagree, Gibbons will help this team tremendously

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11-20-2012, 10:04 AM
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Wait, Lilly, Hillenbrand, Bush and Thomas were a good chunk of the clubhouse?
ever hear of "if there's smoke theres fire"?

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11-20-2012, 10:05 AM
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Well, on one hand he was a cancer to a good chunk of the clubhouse, on the other he was friends with Zaun. I can't remember, but what was their previous history? Weren't they brought in from the same place?
I remember that game against TB, why did he pull Marcum w/ a no hitter? It's not like he was struggling, he had Tampa's number all game. I really don't like this move, Gibbons seems like he believes that he is the straw that stirs the drink as opposed to the players. IMO he is just too full of himself. Dave Bush, Shea Hillenbrand, Ted Lilly and Frank Thomas, who I wonder will he start with this time? Ask yourself how exactly would he have dealt with RR's struggles last season? By benching him?

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11-20-2012, 10:06 AM
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Some guy on twitter said

"People that hate this move are bandwagon fans, and know nothing about baseball"
Bandwagon fans like every move, no matter what. Real fans criticize, scrutinize, and want the best for the team.

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I remember that game against TB, why did he pull Marcum w/ a no hitter? It's not like he was struggling, he had Tampa's number all game. I really don't like this move, Gibbons seems like he believes that he is the straw that stirs the drink as opposed to the players. IMO he is just too full of himself. Dave Bush, Shea Hillenbrand, Ted Lilly and Frank Thomas, who I wonder will he start with this time?
He had him on an arbitrary pitch count or something ridiculous. (78 pitches, lolwtf)

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11-20-2012, 10:08 AM
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does this mean marcum wont come back?

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I remember that game against TB, why did he pull Marcum w/ a no hitter? It's not like he was struggling, he had Tampa's number all game. I really don't like this move, Gibbons seems like he believes that he is the straw that stirs the drink as opposed to the players. IMO he is just too full of himself. Dave Bush, Shea Hillenbrand, Ted Lilly and Frank Thomas, who I wonder will he start with this time? Ask yourself how exactly would he have dealt with RR's struggles last season? By benching him?
Okay, and Gibbons even said himself that was a mistake, and that he has learned from his last tenure, and from being with KC.

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11-20-2012, 10:11 AM
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found an interesting article from 2006
Pretty sure everything there is directly related to poor situational hitting (and that its from 2007). Its not sustainable to ground into double plays 50% of the time in those situations which is shown by the fact the Jays ended up hitting .276/.348/.439 that year with RISP.

Not to mention they were within 4.5 games of the WC at the start of September which marks one of four times since 1993 they were within five games of a playoff spot in September ('98, '00, '08). Definitely weren't an also-ran that year at least by Jays standards.

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11-20-2012, 10:12 AM
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i love that clip when gibbons chases lilly into the clubhouse LOL

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I'm not even a Jays fan and I think this is a good move for you guys.

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Bandwagon fans like every move, no matter what. Real fans criticize, scrutinize, and want the best for the team.
Not necessarily. Bandwagon fans came out after the mega-deal with Miami. They expected a 5 star manager to be hired, but it's John Gibbons, thus they won't like it. Real Baseball fans see what John Gibbons brings.

This is a good hire by the team, certainly better then Jim Tracy, Jim Riggleman, Don Wakumatsu, and Brian Butterfield.

John Gibbons is excellent with the bullpen, and runs smart. He will let Boni, Reyes, Davis etc run, but he will run them at the right time, unlike Farrell. He keeps his players in line, yet has a likable trait among his players (MacDonald just said they loved playing for him).

Bottom line is, Baseball people (execs, insiders etc) like the hire.

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Bandwagon fans like every move, no matter what. Real fans criticize, scrutinize, and want the best for the team.



He had him on an arbitrary pitch count or something ridiculous. (78 pitches, lolwtf)
If you can't see this as the best option for the team then I don't even know what to say.

Are you an advocate for Jim Tracy or something?

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11-20-2012, 10:16 AM
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Bandwagon fans like every move, no matter what. Real fans criticize, scrutinize, and want the best for the team.



He had him on an arbitrary pitch count or something ridiculous. (78 pitches, lolwtf)
You have a very selective memory I see...

Marcum was recently promoted from the bullpen, and the no-hitter was his debut start. He was on a 70 pitch count due to not throwing starters innings in quite some time.

Of course, it's easy to ignore that, take gibbon's decision out of context and try and paint him as a fool. You're entitled to not like him but your arguments are dishonest.

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11-20-2012, 10:17 AM
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AA was on the fan 590 after the press conference, and had a couple of interesting things to say:

AA: "I think the reports of Josh Johnson being unhappy or potentially leaving are false, if anything we want him to be here for a long time."

AA: "I am not looking to flip any of the players we acquired in this trade."

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I dono about this as a baseball move, but as a fan who loved his energy back when he was in blue, It's great that we have a refreshing face back.

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11-20-2012, 10:18 AM
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AA was on the fan 590 after the press conference, and had a couple of interesting things to say:

AA: "I think the reports of Josh Johnson being unhappy or potentially leaving are false, if anything we want him to be here for a long time."

AA: "I am not looking to flip any of the players we acquired in this trade."
including buck ?

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Pretty sure everything there is directly related to poor situational hitting (and that its from 2007). Its not sustainable to ground into double plays 50% of the time in those situations which is shown by the fact the Jays ended up hitting .276/.348/.439 that year with RISP.

Not to mention they were within 4.5 games of the WC at the start of September which marks one of four times since 1993 they were within five games of a playoff spot in September ('98, '00, '08). Definitely weren't an also-ran that year at least by Jays standards.
The sad thing is that alot of writers and fans alike criticized Gibbons for the Jays poor situational hitting. Despite the fact that these numbers were unsustainable, as you alluded too, and more importantly had absolutely nothing to do with John Gibbons. The manager doesn't go up to the plate and take at bats, the players do.

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i love that clip when gibbons chases lilly into the clubhouse LOL
Haha yeah same.

I like when Lilly is going to walk towards the dugout, and he stops, turns around and says "you're a effin a-hole" just for good measure. What a p-rick.

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including buck ?
AA didn't specify any specific players, so I would assume so.

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One Positive; John Gibbons LOVES to argue calls. Something Players like, and is enjoyable to watch

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He had him on an arbitrary pitch count or something ridiculous. (78 pitches, lolwtf)
Gibbons had Marcum on a pitch count because he was making the transition from relief pitcher to starting pitcher. Stop being so deliberately misleading.

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The sad thing is that alot of writers and fans alike criticized Gibbons for the Jays poor situational hitting. Despite the fact that these numbers were unsustainable, as you alluded too, and more importantly had absolutely nothing to do with John Gibbons. The manager doesn't go up to the plate and take at bats, the players do.
And so backwards.

The hitters you have hit for low average, so bunt a guy over, give up an out and let the next guy with an equally low average try to score him.

Gibbons based on what he said at the presser and by all reports, he's a guy who overseas the clubhouse but doesn't manage it. He'll let the players take control. With the vets we have in place, this is the way it should be.

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