HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > The Business of Hockey
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
The Business of Hockey Discuss the financial and business aspects of the NHL. Topics may include the CBA, work stoppages, broadcast contracts, franchise sales, NHL revenues, relocation and expansion.

ESPN Reports change of heart from PA

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
02-12-2005, 11:52 AM
  #26
Crazy Lunatic
Guest
 
Country:
Posts: n/a
vCash:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scugs
Yea, now that I try it, there is no sound. I get the "ESPN is brought to you by the USA Air Force" or something.... But after that, nothing.
I'm thinking this was a hoax. If this isn't confirmed soon, the admins should take down this thread.

 
Old
02-12-2005, 11:53 AM
  #27
Jaded-Fan
Registered User
 
Jaded-Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 34,312
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazy Lunatic
I'm thinking this was a hoax. If this isn't confirmed soon, the admins should take down this thread.
Quite a few above confirmed hearing the same thing . . . it may be a hoax, but if so it is a well coordinated one with several on this board.

Jaded-Fan is offline  
Old
02-12-2005, 11:53 AM
  #28
Scoogs
Registered User
 
Scoogs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 18,037
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to Scoogs
Well I don't think it was a hoax.. Just because ESPNews radio isnt available for streaming, doesn't make it a hoax.

Scoogs is offline  
Old
02-12-2005, 11:56 AM
  #29
Crazy Lunatic
Guest
 
Country:
Posts: n/a
vCash:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scugs
Well I don't think it was a hoax.. Just because ESPNews radio isnt available for streaming, doesn't make it a hoax.
Saskin said as late as last night that the union is not interested in any form of cap. I'll beleive that before I believe some ESPN news story that isn't even mentioned on their website.

 
Old
02-12-2005, 12:02 PM
  #30
Scoogs
Registered User
 
Scoogs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 18,037
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to Scoogs
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazy Lunatic
Saskin said as late as last night that the union is not interested in any form of cap. I'll beleive that before I believe some ESPN news story that isn't even mentioned on their website.
The NHL said that they absolutely NEED linkage. But here we are with Daly saying that the NHL is willing to negotiate a cap without linkage.

Alot of things were said during this lockout. Some quotes have merit, some serve no other purpose than a PR move.

Scoogs is offline  
Old
02-12-2005, 12:10 PM
  #31
spartyinmd
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 41
vCash: 500
Folks...Daly was on FAN 590 last night and said this. It was before the Toronto Raptors game. He said this completely that he doesn't understand why the players haven't brought a proposal without linkage because the owners are willing to negotiate one without linkage as long as it is reasonable.

spartyinmd is offline  
Old
02-12-2005, 12:15 PM
  #32
NYIsles1*
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 9,539
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scugs
The NHL said that they absolutely NEED linkage. But here we are with Daly saying that the NHL is willing to negotiate a cap without linkage.

Alot of things were said during this lockout. Some quotes have merit, some serve no other purpose than a PR move.
I think Goodenow would rather go to the courts and lose two years to keep his free market. He will never agree to a cap or any kind of ceiling that restricts the free market. He would give back 100 percent of exsisting contracts to keep open bidding to drive contracts because it works for the NHLPA.

Regarding the comments it does not seem like P.R at all by Saskin.

Saskin reiterated the players' opposition to any type of salary cap, even without linkage.

"They've always presented it as one concept, not two concepts," Saskin told The Score. "We're not interested in negotiating any arbitrary cap. If [Daly] has other ideas he would like to present, he should present them to us."

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/ho...0884680.htm?1c
Hicks went on to say that the league owners are "100 percent committed to fixing hockey" with a system of cost certainty and that "the players have turned down the best offer they're ever going to get. I can say that with certainty."

NYIsles1* is offline  
Old
02-12-2005, 12:20 PM
  #33
Saprykin Fan
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 701
vCash: 500
hey

I just seen it on the Score!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! daly said they can deal without linkage, and when told that Saskin seemed shocked and suprised in his interview afterwards.

Saprykin Fan is offline  
Old
02-12-2005, 12:26 PM
  #34
Foppa_Rules
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Earth...how about you?
Country: United States
Posts: 2,019
vCash: 500
I want hockey!

Foppa_Rules is offline  
Old
02-12-2005, 12:27 PM
  #35
Bauer83
Registered User
 
Bauer83's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 530
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saprykin Fan
I just seen it on the Score!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! daly said they can deal without linkage, and when told that Saskin seemed shocked and suprised in his interview afterwards.
I just saw that same thing on the score and it did not look optimistic at all from saskin's side. He just tried to ignore the question, and came back with an answer that tip toed around it. It looks to me like the PA is not going to move off anything. Sorry I had hope two weeks ago, but even with all the rumblings right now, I still feel we are just days away from the saga ended for the year. Hope I am wrong, but I would bet quite a bit of money saying there will be no hockey this year.

Bauer83 is offline  
Old
02-12-2005, 12:30 PM
  #36
Foppa_Rules
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Earth...how about you?
Country: United States
Posts: 2,019
vCash: 500
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

Foppa_Rules is offline  
Old
02-12-2005, 12:30 PM
  #37
Scoogs
Registered User
 
Scoogs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 18,037
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to Scoogs
Saskin is just making himself look stupid. Its clear that comming off linkage is a HUGE compromise from the Leagues side. And Saskin goes on to say "We find ourselves without a negotiating partner throughout this process."

How amazingly stupid. They need to pull their heads out of their ***** and read between the lines.

Scoogs is offline  
Old
02-12-2005, 12:31 PM
  #38
cleduc
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,819
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saprykin Fan
I just seen it on the Score!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! daly said they can deal without linkage, and when told that Saskin seemed shocked and suprised in his interview afterwards.
From NHL.com - July NHL proposal (one of six options presented):
http://nhlcbanews.com/dalymail/daly_mailbag111504.html
A Hard Individual Team Salary Cap, which would be similar in concept to the system employed in the National Football League. Under this system, each team's payroll would not be permitted to exceed 1/30th of the League-wide amount negotiated with the Union and designated for player compensation. Cap administration rules, would, however, be negotiated to suit the particular and unique circumstances of the National Hockey League, and to minimize potential competitive advantages attributable to differences in financial resources among various Clubs.

Under a Hard Salary Cap System, player contracts could continue to be "guaranteed;" player agents would continue to perform their current function and role; and any concern about salary stratification between high-salaried star players and lower-salaried role players could be addressed by the League and the Union in collective bargaining.


There's no linkage mentioned in that hard cap system. I don't understand why this is "news". If it is, it is OLD news.

cleduc is offline  
Old
02-12-2005, 12:33 PM
  #39
Old Hickory
Guest
 
Country:
Posts: n/a
vCash:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazy Lunatic
I'm thinking this was a hoax. If this isn't confirmed soon, the admins should take down this thread.
It's confirmed by 4 posters in the thread. Leave the moderating to the moderators

 
Old
02-12-2005, 12:34 PM
  #40
Scoogs
Registered User
 
Scoogs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 18,037
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to Scoogs
Which again goes to show Saskin isnt really paying attention during these meetings. They accuse the NHL of lying, when they go spewing out "They didnt tell us this ". It was actually brought to their attention almost a year ago.

Scoogs is offline  
Old
02-12-2005, 12:36 PM
  #41
shadoz19
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 1,769
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by cleduc
From NHL.com - July NHL proposal (one of six options presented):
http://nhlcbanews.com/dalymail/daly_mailbag111504.html
A Hard Individual Team Salary Cap, which would be similar in concept to the system employed in the National Football League. Under this system, each team's payroll would not be permitted to exceed 1/30th of the League-wide amount negotiated with the Union and designated for player compensation. Cap administration rules, would, however, be negotiated to suit the particular and unique circumstances of the National Hockey League, and to minimize potential competitive advantages attributable to differences in financial resources among various Clubs.

Under a Hard Salary Cap System, player contracts could continue to be "guaranteed;" player agents would continue to perform their current function and role; and any concern about salary stratification between high-salaried star players and lower-salaried role players could be addressed by the League and the Union in collective bargaining.


There's no linkage mentioned in that hard cap system. I don't understand why this is "news". If it is, it is OLD news.
Thats linkage. Its tied to a portion of revenue and then divided by 30. NFL is linkage.

shadoz19 is offline  
Old
02-12-2005, 12:38 PM
  #42
bladoww
Team of the Future
 
bladoww's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Country: United States
Posts: 1,552
vCash: 500
Quote:
I just saw that same thing on the score and it did not look optimistic at all from saskin's side. He just tried to ignore the question, and came back with an answer that tip toed around it. It looks to me like the PA is not going to move off anything.
Thing is, is that Saskin is so caught up in this - being trained and molded into this hardnosed guy negotiating on behalf of the union, that it doesn't really surprise me that he didn't seem publicly enthusiastic about the fact that Daly said there didn't have to be linkage. Deep down he knows it's something to work off of. I bet as soon as he finished that interview he was on the phone with the other union punks figuring out what move to make.

Whether anyone likes it or not, and even though the league slapped a bunch of triggers on it - the fact that the league is even entertaining the thought of using the Dec. 9 proposal means that they are willing to negotiate. It's the players' turn.

bladoww is offline  
Old
02-12-2005, 12:39 PM
  #43
cleduc
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,819
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by shadoz19
Thats linkage. Its tied to a portion of revenue and then divided by 30. NFL is linkage.
Nope. "each team's payroll would not be permitted to exceed 1/30th of the League-wide amount negotiated with the Union"

Revenue is not mentioned. The cap is negotiated as is the administration of it.

cleduc is offline  
Old
02-12-2005, 12:40 PM
  #44
Trottier
Very Random
 
Trottier's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: San Diego
Posts: 29,239
vCash: 500
Get Over Yourself

Quote:
Originally Posted by BLONG7
Funny how these PA individuals seem to have irked most of us...these are also the same crew that makes the PA look very bad, and probably zip it...BTW it's Chri$ Pronger and Chri$ Chelio$...
We'll try to get word to Chelios and Pronger to knock it off. Certainly don't want to upset you and Eye. The nerve of those guys.

(The self-importance quotient reaching new highs among a few delusional fans, it appears.)

Trottier is offline  
Old
02-12-2005, 12:45 PM
  #45
Foppa_Rules
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Earth...how about you?
Country: United States
Posts: 2,019
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by cleduc
Nope. "each team's payroll would not be permitted to exceed 1/30th of the League-wide amount negotiated with the Union"

Revenue is not mentioned. The cap is negotiated as is the administration of it.

But in the NHL's proposal before the "compromise proposal", they mentioned a minimum payroll of 32 million and a maximum payroll of 42 million. I don't remember if that was linked to revenues, but it was supposed to be a floating cap.

Foppa_Rules is offline  
Old
02-12-2005, 12:47 PM
  #46
Foppa_Rules
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Earth...how about you?
Country: United States
Posts: 2,019
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trottier
We'll try to get word to Chelios and Pronger to knock it off. Certainly don't want to upset you and Eye. The nerve of those guys.

(The self-importance quotient reaching new highs among a few delusional fans, it appears.)

...maybe that has something to do with the fact that the fans are being totally ignored while the NHL and NHLPA walk out of 9-hour meetings with NO progress time and time again.

Foppa_Rules is offline  
Old
02-12-2005, 12:48 PM
  #47
Crazy Lunatic
Guest
 
Country:
Posts: n/a
vCash:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Foppa_Rules
But in the NHL's proposal before the "compromise proposal", they mentioned a minimum payroll of 32 million and a maximum payroll of 42 million. I don't remember if that was linked to revenues, but it was supposed to be a floating cap.
A floating cap is a cap linked to revenues. The 32-42 number was based on last years revenues.

 
Old
02-12-2005, 12:48 PM
  #48
cleduc
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,819
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Foppa_Rules
But in the NHL's proposal before the "compromise proposal", they mentioned a minimum payroll of 32 million and a maximum payroll of 42 million. I don't remember if that was linked to revenues, but it was supposed to be a floating cap.
That has nothing to do with this July proposal/concept. An issue raised in this thread is that somehow, the concept of negotiating a hard cap without linkage is new to this processs and somehow a possible break through. It isn't. It is old news and was rejected by the NHLPA last July.

cleduc is offline  
Old
02-12-2005, 12:54 PM
  #49
Foppa_Rules
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Earth...how about you?
Country: United States
Posts: 2,019
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by cleduc
That has nothing to do with this July proposal/concept. An issue raised in this thread is that somehow, the concept of negotiating a hard cap without linkage is new to this processs and somehow a possible break through. It isn't. It is old news and was rejected by the NHLPA last July.

Well, it seems to me that the NHL started out with a softer view of the necessary salary cap but has gotten more and more hardened as the negotiations have been going on. So in that sense it could be called a breakthrough that they are willing (maybe) to go back to the softer view of it. Now the NHLPA may be willing to take that deal given the alternatives.

Foppa_Rules is offline  
Old
02-12-2005, 12:54 PM
  #50
Crazy Lunatic
Guest
 
Country:
Posts: n/a
vCash:
Quote:
Originally Posted by cleduc
That has nothing to do with this July proposal/concept. An issue raised in this thread is that somehow, the concept of negotiating a hard cap without linkage is new to this processs and somehow a possible break through. It isn't. It is old news and was rejected by the NHLPA last July.
Ted Saskin is under the impression that you are wrong.

 
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:28 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2015 All Rights Reserved.