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02-13-2005, 04:29 PM
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During his three playoffs in Toronto, Berezin scored 4 times as many goals as Reichel and Renberg did combined in their three playoffs.
You make a good point ..on how quick people forget.

Berezin had 12 goals for Toronto in the playoffs in 3 seasons ..

Sundin in his past 4 years in the playoffs when the Leafs on paper have had their strongest teams and best Stanley Cup opportunities has 13 goals ..

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You make a good point ..on how quick people forget.

Berezin had 12 goals for Toronto in the playoffs in 3 seasons ..

Sundin in his past 4 years in the playoffs when the Leafs on paper have had their strongest teams and best Stanley Cup opportunities has 13 goals ..
are you counting 2002 as one of those 4 years? Sundin also played with a broken jaw in '03 and in '04 he had some kind of leg injury..

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02-13-2005, 05:09 PM
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are you counting 2002 as one of those 4 years? Sundin also played with a broken jaw in '03 and in '04 he had some kind of leg injury..
I don't think he meant it as anything against Sundin.

But compare Berezin's playoff production to some current Leafs last three playoffs....

Sundin 7 goals in 24 games
Roberts 12 goals in 39 games
Tucker 6 goals in 35 games
Reichel 2 goals in 37 games
Mogilny 15 goals in 39 games
Renberg 1 goal in 12 games

Berezin 12 goals in 40 games

The guy was not nearly as useless as a lot of people make him sound to be. He played some good hockey for us.

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02-13-2005, 05:11 PM
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are you counting 2002 as one of those 4 years? Sundin also played with a broken jaw in '03 and in '04 he had some kind of leg injury..
Last 4 seasons ..

That was not to discredit Sundin but to show that Berezin as Army pointed out contributed to playoff success..

Owen Nolan has contributed ZERO goals as a leaf in the playoffs ..

Its all relative and injuries, while you want to count them or not, players not playing or scoring are not helping the team win ..

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Ill miss Moginly, not because hes a Leaf for the record though

He was simply awsome in his years with Vancouver, and was a tremendous player to watch! He had it all, stick handeling, speed, shot, you name it!

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Last 4 seasons ..

That was not to discredit Sundin but to show that Berezin as Army pointed out contributed to playoff success..

Owen Nolan has contributed ZERO goals as a leaf in the playoffs ..

Its all relative and injuries, while you want to count them or not, players not playing or scoring are not helping the team win ..
Yes, Nolan's been a dissappointment.. Leafs should ask for a refund..

The fact that Berezin contributed in the playoffs does nothing to prove that he's anywhere near Mogilny's skill level.

But if stats is what it takes, then here you go:

956 GP 461 G 546 A 1007 PTS 1.05 PPG
502 GP 160 G 126 A 286 PTS 0.56 PPG

guess which one is Berezin and which one is Mogilny..

careers as a Leaf:

Mogilny: 176 GP 65 G 101 A 166 PTS 0.94 PPG
Berezin: 357 GP 126 G 94 A 220 PTS 0.61 PPG

and really, just watch the two play, and tell me Berezin is worth being in the same locker room with Almo. Mogilny's vision, passing, his fantastic shot, and speed (when he was younger) it's just no contest.

it's like comparing Belfour to Kidd

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02-13-2005, 05:45 PM
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and really, just watch the two play, and tell me Berezin is worth being in the same locker room with Almo. Mogilny's vision, passing, his fantastic shot, and speed (when he was younger) it's just no contest.
Who's comparing Berezin to Mogilny?

Mogilny's obviously in a totally different class than Berezin. I don't think anyone would dispute that.

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02-13-2005, 06:05 PM
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Who's comparing Berezin to Mogilny?

Mogilny's obviously in a totally different class than Berezin. I don't think anyone would dispute that.
I think that was the original argument...

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Holy crap, there are other Berezin fans

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I'd disagree. Berezhin had amazing talent at least on par with Mogilny (during their times with the Leafs) however he lacked motivation, defensive play and teamwork.
OMG

your kidding right??? Zero comparison between the two... berezin was a bum.

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02-13-2005, 06:19 PM
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mogilny.... NooooOOOOoooo!!!!

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LOL

Mogilny>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Berezin

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Mogilny>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Berezin
I second that. I don't even understand how some people can compare these two players.

Whether you talk about skills or stats or anything else, Mogilny is just so much better than Berezin!

The only thing that Berezin was better at : his jersey number was 94, and Mogilny's only 89.

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02-13-2005, 07:17 PM
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Oh maybe I understand now ... everyone's been talking about "Mogilny", the member from this forum, not Alexander Mogilny, the hockey player! :lol

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I'm not saying I disliked Berezin, I just found him to be a bit of a puck hog and very one dimensional. I thought he slacked off a lot expcept for moments when the tape on his stick was in contact with the puck, or had a chance to be.

I'll admit, I was younger when I had the chance to watch Berezin, and so my views may be skewed due to my age at the time. My opinion probably has little merit and so, I forfeit any agruments involving Berezin I was in during this thread.

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I'd argue Berezhin, though Mogilny at least knew how to pass.
You would argue Sergei Berezin was more skilled then Alexander Mogilny?

LMAO!!

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Mogilny Owns ALL!

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Most skilled Leaf. Ever.
there have been some pretty talented Leafs over the years, and 89 is certainly one of them. Best ever, I'm not sure about that but he would be near the top on pure talent. However, the old guys say Gretzky would be a fourth line center on some of the teams in the 40's; so they must have had some pretty good players.

However, the only other player mentioned in this thread is Berezin??? Give me a break. When it was first mentioned I thought it was a joke.

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He floated like ski-doo
I don't understand this statement? Are you trying to say he never floated? Because ski-doo's will sink in an instant if you ever break through the ice. They're pretty heavy.

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I don't understand this statement? Are you trying to say he never floated? Because ski-doo's will sink in an instant if you ever break through the ice. They're pretty heavy.
Er, sea-doo. Fancy that typo.

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