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02-13-2005, 11:43 PM
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What I don't get is that not one person says "Hey, maybe Wellwood is quicker than I thought was." Not one person.

Why do people feel the need to come up with ridiculous (and I mean ridiculous) arguments to try and discredit him?
Because they're idiots? Hey, I hate the Leafs, but the guy showed some decent wheels.

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Well, first of all, Mogilny is the fastest in that group by a mile.
With the puck, yes... there's no arguing that.

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Secondly,I think it also whows that you don't have to be a great skater to put up a good time in that event. Domi's turning ability(and balance) is embarassing, if he was two inches taller, he would take out the first two rows everytime he attempted a corner.
1) you underrate Tie Domi's skating.
2) the point isn't that Wellwood's better or worse than Parise, Spezza, or Salmelainen, the point is that he's not slow... which was witnessed tonight for those who saw the skills competition.

Wellwood's not a smooth or pretty skater, but he's not slow.

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Uh the timer starts once you move past it. You can't possibly jump the gun.
I think it starts at the gun.

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i don't know Mogilny as a leaf. when he was a sabre he was real fast. I was very impressed with wellwood in the saint johns amerks game. He was all over the ice on every play.

very cool player

how was ryan miller.. sounds like he didn't show up.

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the fact that wellwood got picked for the speed skating should be a bit of an indication... its not like they would ever pick cory cross or donald brashear for speed skating. They usually pick the faster/fastest guys avail.

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He did slip. Naturally when you slip in a race you arent going to finish with the same time as you would if you did'nt slip. Also after he slipped he did'nt skate very well around the corner which also caused him to lose time which the announcers also said.
If Tony and Kyle raced on a long straight away and started at the exact same time the race would'nt even be close.

Also you never know if Welwood jumped the gun, i'm not saying he did, but he might have.
I admit Tony did slip, and prolly would have finished with even better time, but you arn't giving Kyle the credit where credit is due, everyone says he isn't a good skater he is below avg.. I think he proved tonight that his skating isn't bad as most people think it is.

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i don't know Mogilny as a leaf. when he was a sabre he was real fast. I was very impressed with wellwood in the saint johns amerks game. He was all over the ice on every play.

very cool player

how was ryan miller.. sounds like he didn't show up.
Ryan Miller was great.

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Because they're idiots? Hey, I hate the Leafs, but the guy showed some decent wheels.
Thank you.

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1) you underrate Tie Domi's skating.
I think his straight ahead speed is good, and that is it.

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Wellwood's not a smooth or pretty skater, but he's not slow.
Speed is only half of the battle when it comes to skating, but I also do not think he is that fast.

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He did slip. Naturally when you slip in a race you arent going to finish with the same time as you would if you did'nt slip. Also after he slipped he did'nt skate very well around the corner which also caused him to lose time which the announcers also said.
Well I didn't see him slip, but I guess enough other people did.

It must have been a minor one because Peter Lobardious sure made it sound like he was expecting Salmelainen to have the fastest time when he was calling the finish.

But at any rate, I would sure hope Salmelainen slipped. Speed is supposed to be Salemelainen's great strength. If Wellwood is supposed to be a poor skater and they finished with the same time, what would that say?

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Also you never know if Welwood jumped the gun, i'm not saying he did, but he might have.
Good one. I never cease to be amazed at these.

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i don't know Mogilny as a leaf. when he was a sabre he was real fast. I was very impressed with wellwood in the saint johns amerks game. He was all over the ice on every play.

very cool player

how was ryan miller.. sounds like he didn't show up.
Miller was named the top goalie again. Stopped 15 shots let in 4. If he didn't show up his clone sure as hell did.

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Speed is only half of the battle when it comes to skating, but I also do not think he is that fast.
Funny because despite Wellwood's dominance in most other facets of skating he's labeled as a poor skater because he's "slow."

Man I love double standards.

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i don't know Mogilny as a leaf. when he was a sabre he was real fast. I was very impressed with wellwood in the saint johns amerks game. He was all over the ice on every play.

very cool player

how was ryan miller.. sounds like he didn't show up.

Miller was great.. He was great in the breakaway relay. I thought he looks like the best goalie out there. I am a Lehtonen fan but MILLER came out to play tonight.

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Actually I think Steen is very good, and I like Colaiacovo to an extent. I just think that Wellwood's AHL success is starting to inflate his NHL potential. I actually don't mind Wellwood.
That's a new one .. Welly is so successful at the AHL level its hurting his NHL potential....

I guess he could fix that by slacking off a bit then, so his NHL chance improves.

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Speed is only half of the battle when it comes to skating, but I also do not think he is that fast.
It doesn't matter what you think, he scored 14.776 when most expected far worse. He's not a speed burner, but speed is not a factor for Wellwood. He's not slow, which is the point.

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The numbers say he just may be as fast as Pavel.
Thats right, because in ONE race around a rink he recorded a similar time, it means he may be as fast as guys like Datsyuk or Tanguay. That does it for me

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Funny because despite Wellwood's dominance in most other facets of skating he's labeled as a poor skater because he's "slow."

Man I love double standards.
Actually, Carl O'Steen just said he is not a smooth or pretty skater, which is probably an indication of a lack of mobility. "Slow" has many different faces.

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I hope Wellwood makes the show, he is a joy to watch.

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Funny because despite Wellwood's dominance in most other facets of skating he's labeled as a poor skater because he's "slow."

Man I love double standards.
Not only that, but I'd love to hear what people would be saying if it had been Wellwood who had slipped.

People would have held it against him for sure.

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That's a new one .. Welly is so successful at the AHL level its hurting his NHL potential....

I guess he could fix that by slacking off a bit then, so his NHL chance improves.
Sorry, I meant by leaf fans.

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Actually, Carl O'Steen just said he is not a smooth or pretty skater, which is probably an indication of a lack of mobility. "Slow" has many different faces.
His mobility is great... the guy's often all over the ice with the puck. Sliding the puck between the opponents skates, messing up defensemen and scoring hilight reel goals.

He looks sluggish in his upper body movement when skating, but he gets to his destination pretty quick.

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Actually, Carl O'Steen just said he is not a smooth or pretty skater, which is probably an indication of a lack of mobility. "Slow" has many different faces.
No, he said he's not a speed burner. I said that he dominates in other areas of skating like agility, accelleration and balance. His skating stride looks awkward but he's not a bad skater by any stretch.

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It doesn't matter what you think, he scored 14.776 when most expected far worse. He's not a speed burner, but speed is not a factor for Wellwood. He's not slow, which is the point.
For the record, I Don't think Pitkanen has proven he has a great shot yet, but he was 3rd out of 6th in the hardest shot tonight. I have not read anything into it.

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For the record, I Don't think Pitkanen has proven he has a great shot yet, but he was 3rd out of 6th in the hardest shot tonight. I have not read anything into it.
Good job, because there are more things to having a shot than how fast you shoot it. Like accuracy, how low you keep it and your selection. Also you need to look at numbers not placements. He shot 94 mph, which although pretty good isn't going to burn a hole in the mesh.

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For the record, I Don't think Pitkanen has proven he has a great shot yet, but he was 3rd out of 6th in the hardest shot tonight. I have not read anything into it.
Wasn't his average like 94?

I'd say it's pretty good whether he comes in 1st of 6 or 6th, it's an individual event when you're analysing a players ability. Wellwood's 14.776 doesn't look any better or worse if he comes in 1st of the 6 or 6th. His number is compared to other players in previous years, and the fact that the coach thought so highly of him to enter his name into the competition is good enough for me.

He proved to be on par with some of these other good prospects in terms of speed, there's no reason now to say he's slow like molasis.

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