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02-14-2005, 03:08 PM
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How deep is the MLBPA in all of this?

I have heard it suggested everywhere from on TSN to FAN960 here in Calgary to a certain un-named blogger suggesting that the Major League Baseball Players Association is heavily involoved in all this from the NHLPA side. If the NHLPA accepts a cap then MLB will be the last of the major sporting leagues in NA to not have a salary cap of some sort, just a joke of a luxury tax.

I think they have been in contact and MAY have something to do with the NHLPA's stupidity and stubborness in this matter. What do you all think?

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I have heard it suggested everywhere from on TSN to FAN960 here in Calgary to a certain un-named blogger suggesting that the Major League Baseball Players Association is heavily involoved in all this from the NHLPA side. If the NHLPA accepts a cap then MLB will be the last of the major sporting leagues in NA to not have a salary cap of some sort, just a joke of a luxury tax.

I think they have been in contact and MAY have something to do with the NHLPA's stupidity and stubborness in this matter. What do you all think?
Very, very deep.

Goodenow has violated his fiduciary duty to his association by giving way too much consideration to the wishes of other sports' PAs.

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Very, very deep.

Goodenow has violated his fiduciary duty to his association by giving way too much consideration to the wishes of other sports' PAs.
Besides someone's blog, what are you basing this on?

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Who doesn't love a good Conspiracy Theory!

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Besides someone's blog, what are you basing this on?
A bunch of news stories, common sense, and experience.

Plus the insanity of Goodenow's negotiating positions and strategy.

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I don't see the MLBPA having any effect at all. Just like I believe that the NBA/David Stern has nothing to do with this lockout.


If I'm wrong on either or both counts, they're even dumber that I think.

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let's just keep digging to find somebody else to blame this on rather than looking at the real problem- calgary, edmonton, nashville, hotlanta, etc. can't support an nhl franchise.

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A bunch of news stories, common sense, and experience.

Plus the insanity of Goodenow's negotiating positions and strategy.
Please post links to some of these new stories. Common sense and experience? Please elaborate. I really doubt the MLB players union cares about what happens in the NHL.

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It's no secret that Goodenow and Donald Fehr are very good friends. Eric Duhatchek said last week on the FAN590 that Goodenow relies heavily on Fehr for negotiation strategy and what not.

In other words, Fehr will never allow a capped system in the NHL. As absurd as that sounds, it probably has some truth to it. :lol

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I don't see the MLBPA having any effect at all. Just like I believe that the NBA/David Stern has nothing to do with this lockout.


If I'm wrong on either or both counts, they're even dumber that I think.
Baseball players do not want to see the NHL succeed in getting a cap. This is why MLBPA head Donald Fehr has been in touch with NHL union chief Bob Goodenow and it is why, as some of the Penguins have confided, baseball players actually have penned letters to hockey players advising them to hang tough through the lockout. Fehr and the baseball players have no wish to be standing alone on an island.
-- Post-Gazette.com


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let's just keep digging to find somebody else to blame this on rather than looking at the real problem- calgary, edmonton, nashville, hotlanta, etc. can't support an nhl franchise.
Shouldn't Chicago be on that list as well? 27th in home attendance in 2003-04. 24th in 2002-03. 23rd in 2001-02, and 24th in 2000-01. Wirtz claims to be losing money on the team, so based on this criteria maybe Chicago should be moved to the head of that class?

No, maybe people should stop pointing fingers at other teams when it comes to contraction because every single team in the NHL has warts that don't look very pretty when put under the magnifying glass called scrutiny.

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Baseball players do not want to see the NHL succeed in getting a cap. This is why MLBPA head Donald Fehr has been in touch with NHL union chief Bob Goodenow and it is why, as some of the Penguins have confided, baseball players actually have penned letters to hockey players advising them to hang tough through the lockout. Fehr and the baseball players have no wish to be standing alone on an island.
-- Post-Gazette.com


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200.../truth.rumors/

I would take that with a grain of salt, as it was from section called "Truths and Rumors."

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Baseball players do not want to see the NHL succeed in getting a cap. This is why MLBPA head Donald Fehr has been in touch with NHL union chief Bob Goodenow and it is why, as some of the Penguins have confided, baseball players actually have penned letters to hockey players advising them to hang tough through the lockout. Fehr and the baseball players have no wish to be standing alone on an island.
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200.../truth.rumors/
Baseball could never institute a cap because the Yankees would immediately be $100million over

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I would take that with a grain of salt, as it was from section called "Truths and Rumors."

grain of salt duly noted . . . though it certainly makes a lot of sense to me.

Another source saying the same . . .

http://msn.foxsports.com/nhl/story/3280802

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Baseball could never institute a cap because the Yankees would immediately be $100million over
You are low. Try closer to $130 million or $140 million if you are Capping salaries at what the average middle team has as their aggregate salary. Isn't that disgusting?

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Take this for what it is worth. I won't take it personally if you scream bs. Anyway, I am part of an organization called the sports lawyers association (its legit, google it) and get together with toronto members from time to time. BG is a member (as is Don Fehr, of MLBPA) and had lunch with a another member last week. That member told me he flew back to toronto from NY with BG about 10 days ago and they were chatting, and my friend told BG that he was recently negotiating a sponsorship deal with donlad fehr...BG apprently turned white- said something like- we don't know each other at all and never talk...then quickly changed subjects.

Again, take it for what its worth- remember- where there is some smoke there is some fire. Personally I believe that Fehr is deeply involved with this lockout...they are up next and don't want the nhlpa to cave- one rumor i heard was that the mlbpa is funding part of nhlpa lockout fund...not sure i believe it but....

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Shouldn't Chicago be on that list as well? 27th in home attendance in 2003-04. 24th in 2002-03. 23rd in 2001-02, and 24th in 2000-01. Wirtz claims to be losing money on the team, so based on this criteria maybe Chicago should be moved to the head of that class?

No, maybe people should stop pointing fingers at other teams when it comes to contraction because every single team in the NHL has warts that don't look very pretty when put under the magnifying glass called scrutiny.
anybody with half of a brain understands that the hawks arent losing any money. it's easy to make it look like you lose money when you dont include parking, sky boxes, and concessions (company owned by wirtz's kid, correct me if i'm wrong). i've got an idea, look at attendance over the last 40 years and tell me chicago has problems. hawk fans arent dumb, they're not going to go to a game like a cub fan would if the team is terrible.

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If the NHLPA accepts a cap then MLB will be the last of the major sporting leagues in NA to not have a salary cap of some sort, just a joke of a luxury tax.
Well no NHL means that now the MLB is the last of the major sporting leagues in NA to not have a salary cap of some sort

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Baseball players do not want to see the NHL succeed in getting a cap. This is why MLBPA head Donald Fehr has been in touch with NHL union chief Bob Goodenow and it is why, as some of the Penguins have confided, baseball players actually have penned letters to hockey players advising them to hang tough through the lockout. Fehr and the baseball players have no wish to be standing alone on an island.
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200.../truth.rumors/
I'm sure that baseball players and the baseball union are rooting hard for the NHLPA to "win". I'm also sure that David Stern and the NBA owners are rooting hard for Bettman and the NHL owners.

Rooting/hoping .. and even speaking with them is one thing. Either Goodenown/NHLPA and/or Bettman/Owners being sinificantly influenced is a whole different matter.

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Either Goodenown/NHLPA and/or Bettman/Owners being sinificantly influenced is a whole different matter.

Isn't that the implication of the articles?

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Take this for what it is worth. I won't take it personally if you scream bs. Anyway, I am part of an organization called the sports lawyers association (its legit, google it) and get together with toronto members from time to time. BG is a member (as is Don Fehr, of MLBPA) and had lunch with a another member last week. That member told me he flew back to toronto from NY with BG about 10 days ago and they were chatting, and my friend told BG that he was recently negotiating a sponsorship deal with donlad fehr...BG apprently turned white- said something like- we don't know each other at all and never talk...then quickly changed subjects.

Again, take it for what its worth- remember- where there is some smoke there is some fire. Personally I believe that Fehr is deeply involved with this lockout...they are up next and don't want the nhlpa to cave- one rumor i heard was that the mlbpa is funding part of nhlpa lockout fund...not sure i believe it but....
BS. Fehr and Goodenow are widely known to be close, so there is no reason for BG to lie about any relationship.

No doubt they have talked about this work stoppage (just as they spoke about the MLB threatened one), but at the end of the day, its Bob's constituents who demand more attention and action than Don Fehr.

Was Goodenow urging Fehr to resist a luxury tax/cap, and is Fehr doing the same now? Sure. But there isn't much more to it than that.

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anybody with half of a brain understands that the hawks arent losing any money. it's easy to make it look like you lose money when you dont include parking, sky boxes, and concessions (company owned by wirtz's kid, correct me if i'm wrong). i've got an idea, look at attendance over the last 40 years and tell me chicago has problems. hawk fans arent dumb, they're not going to go to a game like a cub fan would if the team is terrible.

You're as smart as a hockey player! .. Make sure you are the first in line for Kool-Aide

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I'm sure that baseball players and the baseball union are rooting hard for the NHLPA to "win". I'm also sure that David Stern and the NBA owners are rooting hard for Bettman and the NHL owners.

Rooting/hoping .. and even speaking with them is one thing. Either Goodenown/NHLPA and/or Bettman/Owners being sinificantly influenced is a whole different matter.
The NHL is like Spain in the 30s before WWII where proxy armies fought the battles on behalf of the big boys Hitler and Stalin.

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The NHL is like Spain in the 30s before WWII where proxy armies fought the battles on behalf of the big boys Hitler and Stalin.
Very good analogy . . . There are many parties not affiliated with hockey who are watching how this one turns out.

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ok, keep blaming the nhlpa for the fact that one of your worthless canadian teams cant afford its payroll

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