I remember Stone being mentioned by someone in Ottawa...
Trying to remember who.
I remember hearing that cbj wanted stone but Ottawa refused that unconditionally. They were willing to part with Zib I believe which I guess answers some of our questions here doesn't it...
Zib has the talent level to be an elite player but i've always thought his hockey sense is a little lacking - almost fisher-esque or like Ovechkin's hockey sense. I personally believe that Stone and Silf are higher on the sens management's board because they seem to value hockey sense quite highly. I think a realistic projection for Zibanejad's upside is a player similar to Michalek (albeit with different strengths and weaknesses) which I am happy to get at #6.
I remember hearing that cbj wanted stone but Ottawa refused that unconditionally. They were willing to part with Zib I believe which I guess answers some of our questions here doesn't it...
No it doesn't.
Perhaps CBJ wanted Zibanejad unconditionally and we obviously have to relinquish something to bring in Rick Nash. Who knows, maybe we'd have preferred to make Stone the main part of the deal but CBJ wouldn't go for it.
Clearly we didn't think dropping 2 of those guys would be worth it but I don't think it tells us anything beyond that.
Perhaps CBJ wanted Zibanejad unconditionally and we obviously have to relinquish something to bring in Rick Nash. Who knows, maybe we'd have preferred to make Stone the main part of the deal but CBJ wouldn't go for it.
Clearly we didn't think dropping 2 of those guys would be worth it but I don't think it tells us anything beyond that.
Agreed.
People should consider the only reason the Sens would have made a deal for Nash would have been to speed up the rebuild process, nothing to do with being disappointed in any prospect.
Add to this the fact the Sens would like to convert Zib to the LW, a position Nash would have filled, which makes him the logical and key piece from the Sens perspective.
It is probably also safe to assume Howson would have wanted Zib as a starting point, then kept asking for more.
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Hard question. I have an easier question. Who would have kept when all of them were at the age of 19 years old. People tend to forget that Zibby isnt as old as the other two and hasn't had any time to develop, Silverberg didn't really break out until last season, same with Stone.
Silver is the better player right now but he wasn't as good as the other two when he was their age. So I take Zibby and Stone based on potential but Silver is the safer pick.
Very good point, but Silver's hype started the year prior that... 18 goals and 34 pts in 53 pts as a 20 y/o in the SEL is good
What's funny is that the Sens are very well aware that they can and have to take their time with Zibby, he is so young and has a lot of time to develop
Only fairweathers fans are scared and worried about him. Nothing's wrong with his development so far. He's already faced a lot of adversity for a young hockey player, which is good since it makes real men stronger in the long run. If they wanted a guy that was NHL ready, they would have picked Couturier, but they chose to pick Zibanejad and develop him because they believe that he will end up as a better player.
I give them the benefit of the doubt, they have proved to be right so many times already
Very good point, but Silver's hype started the year prior that... 18 goals and 34 pts in 53 pts as a 20 y/o in the SEL is good
What's funny is that the Sens are very well aware that they can and have to take their time with Zibby, he is so young and has a lot of time to develop
Only fairweathers fans are scared and worried about him. Nothing's wrong with his development. If they wanted a guy that was NHL ready, they would have picked Couturier, but they chose to pick Zibanejad and develop him because they believe that he will end up a better player.
I give them the benefit of the doubt, they have proved to be right so many times already
I wouldn't call them that. Some just aren't as educated on the development process as others, that's all.
I wouldn't call them that. Some just aren't as educated on the development process as others, that's all.
Or maybe some just place value on the current situation and not drool over "possibilities" of becoming X type of player in the future which may or may not come to fruition.
Or maybe some just place value on the current situation and not drool over "possibilities" of becoming X type of player in the future which may or may not come to fruition.
Makes perfect sense to me.
Thats the thing though, at this point people shouldn't be talking about max upside and those things. Still so much time for things to change. One bad game and people are saying he's not going to be anything more then a 3rd liner. One great game he's gonna be Hossa. Just ride it out, take notes, and then discuss it at a more appropriate time then now when he's adapting to a new style.
Thats the thing though, at this point people shouldn't be talking about max upside and those things. Still so much time for things to change. One bad game and people are saying he's not going to be anything more then a 3rd liner. One great game he's gonna be Hossa. Just ride it out, take notes, and then discuss it at a more appropriate time then now when he's adapting to a new style.
I think people are quick to jump the gun on him because so many posters on here hype him to the point of nausea.
I think people are quick to jump the gun on him because so many posters on here hype him to the point of nausea.
Comes with posting on these forums lol. Every fan base does it with certain players. If anything I'd saw Sberg's been way more hyped then Zbad and Sberg only has 2 more points then him.
Comes with posting on these forums lol. Every fan base does it with certain players. If anything I'd saw Sberg's been way more hyped then Zbad and Sberg only has 2 more points then him.
I understand the hype the Silf has gotten since he did put up respectable numbers in arguably the second best hockey league in the world but the same can't be said for Zibby.
The coaching in Djurgardens really ****ed up Zbad last season. In hindsight maybe should have played for Bingo last season instead of going back to the SEL.
Wasn't it Renberg who said 2 years ago that Silfverberg will be the best player in the SEL and he was exactly that? Renberg went on to give Silfverberg huge praise in the playoffs comparing his dominance to Forsberg; and if I'm correct, said he can play in the top 6 in NHL right now.
Thats the thing though, at this point people shouldn't be talking about max upside and those things. Still so much time for things to change. One bad game and people are saying he's not going to be anything more then a 3rd liner. One great game he's gonna be Hossa. Just ride it out, take notes, and then discuss it at a more appropriate time then now when he's adapting to a new style.
That's it... no need to draw conclusions now, right away. It's foolish and "out of reality"
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Wasn't it Renberg who said 2 years ago that Silfverberg will be the best player in the SEL and he was exactly that? Renberg went on to give Silfverberg huge praise in the playoffs comparing his dominance to Forsberg; and if I'm correct, said he can play in the top 6 in NHL right now.
Stone, love his size, hands, IQ & I think he is tougher than the other two.
There is no question about toughness.
Stone grew played in the WHL. A very physical league.
Silf even admitted he was not prepared for how intense the game over here is with hits and fighting.
Stone will be a very good player, I have no doubt.
I personally value Silfverbergs leadership qualities. just watching him play you can tell he is in this for the team. If he wanted to be a rockstar he would have stayed in Sweden.
