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Counter proposal coming...probably

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02-15-2005, 11:49 AM
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Counter proposal coming...probably

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/artic...15_102404_5036

Apparently there may be a counter today. Two paragraphs of note:

The NHL has agreed to most of the PA's Dec. 9 proposal, such as having guaranteed contracts, qualifying offers, no maximums on lengths of contracts, and no deadlines on when contracts get done.

The league's counter proposal Monday included a high-end cap of $40 million, with a luxary tax of 50% starting at $36 million. The league remains adamant there will be no meaningful revenue sharing amongst teams.

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I actually hope that SOMETHING is put in to prevent holdouts. Forced Arbitration on Sept 15th would work just as well as the signing deadline. But SOMETHING would be good, as holdouts arn't good for ANYONE.

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Hearing new proposal has cap of $45 mill

Floor of $37, Cap $45,

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Floor of $37, Cap $45,
absolutely no way some of the small markets can support a 37 M floor without significant revenue sharing... which isn't happening.

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Floor of $37, Cap $45,
If that is the actual proposal, and the league would go that far and the NHLPA would not accept it, how could anyone support them? I do think that the final offer will be closer to $42 million, floor $32 million, but who knows, that is not that far off.

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Floor of $37, Cap $45,
source please? I hate getting my hopes up for nothing, but if this is true, this should be a slam dunk.

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I'd better not find out his 'source' is what I suspect it is.

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If that is the actual proposal, and the league would go that far and the NHLPA would not accept it, how could anyone support them? I do think that the final offer will be closer to $42 million, floor $32 million, but who knows, that is not that far off.

I think he might mean the floor not to pay taxes is 37 million. I cant see a salary floor that high, it makes zero sense.

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keep the floor at $32 mill and raise the cap to $45 mill and call it good

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Counterproposal??

Just negotiate, no need for more proposals

and why is the league so against revenue sharing??

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I'd better not find out his 'source' is what I suspect it is.

I check that so called site when i read his post and at the time it doesn't have anything about that.

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$45 mill Cap, 50% tax at 40 million, floor at $30 million and let's call it a day.

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Without linkage, there should not be a floor. Just a straight cap on the top amount, especially when revenue sharing is not on the agenda.

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i'd sign on with that one

question is though, do luxery taxes over the $40 mill count towards the $45 mill hard cap?

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Counterproposal??

Just negotiate, no need for more proposals

and why is the league so against revenue sharing??
Maybe because they don't want people to know exactly how much money they make.

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TSN is saying that sources on the PA side have told them that the PA will not negotiate their offer of $52 million cap until the league presents a detailed, meaningful revenue sharing plan. So it better be on the NHL's agenda, or else no season.

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source please? I hate getting my hopes up for nothing, but if this is true, this should be a slam dunk.
obviously, i cannot speak for him, but he's a writer who covers the NHL and the bruins, and his "sources" are probably legit

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I thought revenue sharing is what helped keep teams "equal" and kept the league as a whole healthy. Why is the NHL so against revenue sharing that really irks me. If you're gonna have a cap you should definitely have good revenue sharing.

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and why is the league so against revenue sharing??
Oh, because while owners may agree the game is broken and support a salary cap to help small owners, they sure ain't going to give those guys a dime of their own.

Greed.

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The floor is a very stupid thing. It's just going to affect the poor teams who won't be able to have a payroll near the cap because there going to have to pay a big amount of money for every dollar they go over the floor.
I think they should either have just a hard cap or just a luxury tax. Not combined

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can't reveal source or he won't be a source anymore and I promise its not "Eklund"!

All I was told was what I said, but I'm sure as many say here, that floor is too high and that will be negotiated. Tax was included there.

Bottom-line is they are TALKING and talking on the same page! I'm sure the numbers will change a lot today but they are in the same ballpark and this can get done if egos don't take over again!

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Yeah, I don't get why they are against revenue sharing. That's the only way to make it so that this league isn't losing money and the only way to keep small markets around. If there's no revenue sharing, Bettman can kiss a large number of his markets goodbye in the coming years.

I'd say hard cap it at 46. 60% luxury tax for 42-46. 30% tax on 38-42. Split the proceeds with some nice revenue sharing. Drop the UFA one year. Give both sides arbitration rights. Then let's call it a day and play some hockey.

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Oh, because while owners may agree the game is broken and support a salary cap to help small owners, they sure ain't going to give those guys a dime of their own.

Greed.
Also, having revenue sharing means the players can raise the cap. Pretty simple, if the league wants a cap at 40M because they claim otherwise the small market teams will not be able to compete, then the NHLPA says ok, then put that cap to 50M and share the revenues with the bottom teams so they can compete, with a higher payroll, which ultimatelly means more money for the players.

So it's not just about greed (although it is in part), it is also about having parity without having to put 5-6 teams on life support.

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Scibe,

Have you heard anything regarding revenue sharing? Is this an option that the owners are willing to consider?

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Nothing yet on rev sharing but...

if they're compromising on the cap, then that will most definitely be brought up.

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