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11-22-2012, 12:03 AM
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Columbus-Vancouver

To Vancouver: James Wisniewski

To Columbus: Mason Raymond, Jordan Schroeder, and a 2nd/3rd

****Contingent on us finding a place to trade Ballard to, like Ottawa or Detroit(but not for this thread)

The Canucks need a right side, puck moving Dman, while Columbus has a lot of young defensemen that will be pushing for roster spots when the season starts, and could use some help up front. They'd be getting a two-way speedster generally good for around 40 points, our top C prospect who's NHL ready but will likely be buried behind Vancouver's C depth if Kesler finishes recovering before the season starts.

Vancouver's Top-6:

Edler-Wisniewski
Hamhuis-Bieksa
Garrison-Tanev

Columbus' Top-9(sorry if I get the lines wrong)

Anisimov-Dubinsky-Brassard
Umberger-Johanssen-Raymond
Huselius-Schroeder-Prospal


Essentially give Vancouver 6 top-4 defensemen(assuming Tanev continues his development) and Columbus 3 second lines.

Thoughts? Any minor tweaks needed?

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11-22-2012, 12:11 AM
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If I'm correct, Columbus needs their only(?) rh pmd. Also worked out really well with Johnson. Cbj needs to get an impact player to trade Wis.

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I can't see Columbus having any interest in Schroeder.

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don't see a fit for wisniewski in van at all, and cbj prob wouldn't accept scraps for him either

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I can't see Columbus having any interest in Schroeder.
Why not? They aren't exactly awash in star forward prospects. Who wouldn't want a two-way centre with great hockey sense and playmaking ability.

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Why not? They aren't exactly awash in star forward prospects. Who wouldn't want a two-way centre with great hockey sense and playmaking ability.
we're talking about schroeder here, not patrice bergeron

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we're talking about schroeder here, not patrice bergeron
Which is why I didn't say Selke-calibre defense with size.

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I think Columbus fans were pretty impressed with Johnson-Wisnewski as a pairing last year, I doubt they part with him for that.

Not sure they really need more forward depth, they have plenty of 2nd/3rd line forwards. If they are parting with someone like Wiz, I think it'll only be for a 1st line forward, a potential 1st line forward or a #1 goalie.

As a Canucks fan, I would do this in a heartbeat.

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Why not? They aren't exactly awash in star forward prospects. Who wouldn't want a two-way centre with great hockey sense and playmaking ability.
Well since he'll most likely be an ahler, lots of teams. He's 5"9, and not that dynamic, and since he's most likely a winger now.

Maybe it's just me and the LA Kings, but very rarely even if they have a compareable talent level would you want a 5"9 player in the NHL, especially a bottom 6 center/winger. Only real examples are Ennis, St. Louis, Marchand, and Gerbe, and of those only St. Louis, and Marchand are legitimate top 6 forwards, Ennis is possibly one.

So unless Schroeder becomes Theo Fleury/Brad Marchand like, small guy, strong will to win, ***** to play against, he's probably career ahler.

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If management wanted a Wiz type guy at 5.5 per they would have just re-signed Ehrhoff.

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Top pair dman for a maybe 2nd line center prospect, a 2nd/3rd line winger, and a 2nd rounder?

I mean, I know it's Howson, but I don't think even he would do this ...

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Well since he'll most likely be an ahler, lots of teams. He's 5"9, and not that dynamic, and since he's most likely a winger now.

Maybe it's just me and the LA Kings, but very rarely even if they have a compareable talent level would you want a 5"9 player in the NHL, especially a bottom 6 center/winger. Only real examples are Ennis, St. Louis, Marchand, and Gerbe, and of those only St. Louis, and Marchand are legitimate top 6 forwards, Ennis is possibly one.

So unless Schroeder becomes Theo Fleury/Brad Marchand like, small guy, strong will to win, ***** to play against, he's probably career ahler.
PM Bouchard, Derek Roy, Steve Sullivan, Mike Cammalleri, Kris Versteeg, Brian Gionta, Ray Whitney to name some more off the top of my head.

And Schroeder is most definitely a centre.

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Top pair dman for a maybe 2nd line center prospect, a 2nd/3rd line winger, and a 2nd rounder?

I mean, I know it's Howson, but I don't think even he would do this ...
He's also overpaid on a long-term contract, and if Murray, Savard, Erixon, etc are going to get a shot at the roster, someone's got to go. I'd assume Wis would be first on the block.

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He's also overpaid on a long-term contract, and if Murray, Savard, Erixon, etc are going to get a shot at the roster, someone's got to go. I'd assume Wis would be first on the block.
Why Wiz compared to Murray and Savard play completely different styles of game? I mean Erixon could surpass him but that is a bit away right now. Right now Johnson and Wiz look great together and until those three are ready and pushing for a spot I doubt you will see a trade happen sending Wiz anywhere.

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If management wanted a Wiz type guy at 5.5 per they would have just re-signed Ehrhoff.


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We didn't get Garrison to anchor the third pairing. If we do a trade it will be to plug a hole in the fourth line or for a second line winger.

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1. Columbus isn't worried about making room for Moore, Murray, Erixon, or Savard. We have done that too often with prospects in the past. If they want a spot on the NHL roster, they will need to earn it (barring injuries of course).

2. The Ehrhoff comment is absolutely right. If Van wanted a guy like Wiz, they would have gone after Ehrhoff harder. Obviously they wanted a player like Garrison instead.

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How are we fitting Wiz and his cap hit with edler in? Did I miss the NHL caving and agreeing on a 70-30 split with the players?

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1. Columbus isn't worried about making room for Moore, Murray, Erixon, or Savard. We have done that too often with prospects in the past. If they want a spot on the NHL roster, they will need to earn it (barring injuries of course).

2. The Ehrhoff comment is absolutely right. If Van wanted a guy like Wiz, they would have gone after Ehrhoff harder. Obviously they wanted a player like Garrison instead.
Fair enough, then.

Although I think most Canucks fans feel letting Ehrhoff go was a mistake.

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Well since he'll most likely be an ahler, lots of teams. He's 5"9, and not that dynamic, and since he's most likely a winger now.

Maybe it's just me and the LA Kings, but very rarely even if they have a compareable talent level would you want a 5"9 player in the NHL, especially a bottom 6 center/winger. Only real examples are Ennis, St. Louis, Marchand, and Gerbe, and of those only St. Louis, and Marchand are legitimate top 6 forwards, Ennis is possibly one.

So unless Schroeder becomes Theo Fleury/Brad Marchand like, small guy, strong will to win, ***** to play against, he's probably career ahler.
....Why comment on something you have no clue about? Since when is Schroeder a winger? He's been the wolves best player....His offensive upside is high and he's always in the right position defensively. IMO he'll have a long career as a second line center. He's got a ton of talent. No one ever puts up numbers on the Canucks AHL affiliates. He's makes plays. Great plays but his linemates rarely convert them. If the NHL started now he'd be the Canucks third line center and IMO he outplayed Hodgson last training camp. And no it's not a good idea to trade Schroeder now when is value isn't what it will be. No point. It's like when people wanted to trade Schneider four years ago when is value was low...look at it now.

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Why not? They aren't exactly awash in star forward prospects. Who wouldn't want a two-way centre with great hockey sense and playmaking ability.
Because Columbus is stocked with bottom 9 forward depth. Raymond and Schroeder aren't an improvement over any of their current forwards. This is just a case of only addressing one team's needs. Columbus needs top line talent, not more bottom 6 tweeners.

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1. Columbus isn't worried about making room for Moore, Murray, Erixon, or Savard. We have done that too often with prospects in the past. If they want a spot on the NHL roster, they will need to earn it (barring injuries of course).

2. The Ehrhoff comment is absolutely right. If Van wanted a guy like Wiz, they would have gone after Ehrhoff harder. Obviously they wanted a player like Garrison instead.

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Because Columbus is stocked with bottom 9 forward depth. Raymond and Schroeder aren't an improvement over any of their current forwards. This is just a case of only addressing one team's needs. Columbus needs top line talent, not more bottom 6 tweeners.
I believe Columbus is going with a strategy of rolling all there lines equally and causing matchup nightmares for the other team. Trading Nash for Anisimov/Dubinsky seems to follow that train of thought.

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I believe Columbus is going with a strategy of rolling all there lines equally and causing matchup nightmares for the other team. Trading Nash for Anisimov/Dubinsky seems to follow that train of thought.
That doesn't mean they don't want more talented forwards or are happy taking lower quality ones.

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That doesn't mean they don't want more talented forwards or are happy taking lower quality ones.
Of course teams prefer more talented players, the deal only makes sense if Columbus is looking to clear cap space and make room for youngsters on their blueline.

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