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Would you rather win 1 Stanley Cup or 5 Hart Trophies if you were a player?

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1 Stanley Cup 163 48.95%
5 Hart Trophies 170 51.05%
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11-22-2012, 01:24 AM
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How in the blue blazes is the Stanley Cup winning this hahaha

Only 2 players have amassed more then 4 Hart Trophy wins:
Gordie Howe and Wayne Gretzky.

2 top 5 players of all time.

If you said 2 Hart's or 1 Stanley Cup, that's a little closer but 5 Hart's is a ridiculous accomplishment. I would go down in history, as an individual, as one of the greatest to ever play the game of hockey.

Behind Mario Lemieux and Wayne Gretzky, Joe Thornton is only the 3rd person to record back-to-back 90 assist seasons, and he did it in a vastly lower-scoring era than either of them at that. Do you think Art Ross, Hart, Olympic Gold Medal, 1st All Star, record-breaking Joe Thornton goes to bed at night crying because he hasn't won a Stanley Cup yet? I sure don't think so, especially since being a superstar has earned him 7M/Endorsement deals/bonuses per year for the past 10 or so seasons. I think he simply wakes up and hopes he and his team can get hot at the right time to give them the best chance to make it to the ultimate prize.

The question basically boils down to:

Would I rather win everything else in hockey besides the Stanley Cup or solely the Stanley Cup?

And the answer is fairly obviously the former option.

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11-22-2012, 01:25 AM
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You're overestimating how popular hockey is in the United States.
It's there. It's not everywhere like football is, but it's there.

The big question that everyone always asks in the end is "Did you win the big one?" I'm not saying that's right, I'm not saying that's fair, but it's there.

If you'd rather win 5 Harts, I can't fault you, but just based on my own personal desires I'd rather not have that question hanging over my head when my career goes down in the books.

Plus, I really have no desire to be super famous. Rich? Absolutely, pass the dough. Famous? Ehhh to an extent. It'd be super cool if I was a hockey player and someone recognized me at the store. But if you're a real star, it can get overwhelming. Now it would depend on where I play. I'd get away with it in big US cities, as you alluded to. But what if I was a Winnipeg Jet where hockey is religion? I'm ****ed Again that's just me.

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11-22-2012, 01:26 AM
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Kids don't grow up dreaming of winning five Hart Trophies.

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11-22-2012, 01:30 AM
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Wayne Gretzky (9)
Gordie Howe (5)

The only two players in NHL history to win 5+ Hart Trophies. Would you rather be in that company or forever be linked in hockey history with such names like Craig Adams, Colin Fraser, Daniel Paille and others long forgotten who happened to be on the right roster the right season?

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11-22-2012, 01:32 AM
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Kids don't grow up dreaming of winning five Hart Trophies.
Speak for yourself..

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11-22-2012, 01:33 AM
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Kids don't grow up dreaming of winning five Hart Trophies.
Kids grow up scoring the game winning goal in the Stanley Cup.. not playing 6 minutes and watching their teammates win it.

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11-22-2012, 01:35 AM
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11-22-2012, 01:36 AM
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Kids don't grow up dreaming of winning five Hart Trophies.
Well, maybe they do, but not without a Cup for every one of them.

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heart trophies easily, I would be considered to be one of he greatest players of all time and be a lock for the hall. If I was some fourth liner on a cup team I would feel undeserving of the accomplishment. If I was a Conn Smythe winner it says something different, but I would still take the hearts

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11-22-2012, 02:03 AM
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This thread would be an interesting topic for a psych student:

People who play a team sport who are more interested in personal accolades: narcissists or pragmatists?

As a guy who has played his whole life rather than watched, I'll take a team championship over a voted award. Much like I'd rather win a game than lose and be voted 1st star.

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11-22-2012, 02:07 AM
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Kids grow up scoring the game winning goal in the Stanley Cup.. not playing 6 minutes and watching their teammates win it.
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11-22-2012, 02:11 AM
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heart trophies easily, I would be considered to be one of he greatest players of all time and be a lock for the hall. If I was some fourth liner on a cup team I would feel undeserving of the accomplishment. If I was a Conn Smythe winner it says something different, but I would still take the hearts
Lock for the HHOF, but you never won what you really wanted.

It's weird to see people state that if they worked their entire lives to make the NHL and then did make it, then won the Cup, that they'd feel undeserving. I think you should make an attempt to value your accomplishments more.

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This thread would be an interesting topic for a psych student:

People who play a team sport who are more interested in personal accolades: narcissists or pragmatists?

As a guy who has played his whole life rather than watched, I'll take a team championship over a voted award. Much like I'd rather win a game than lose and be voted 1st star.
I agree, but when it comes to 5 Indivdual awards, and the most prestigious individual award (other than conn smythe) at that, I'll take it over one cup any day

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Lock for the HHOF, but you never won what you really wanted.

It's weird to see people state that if they worked their entire lives to make the NHL and then did make it, then won the Cup, that they'd feel undeserving. I think you should make an attempt to value your accomplishments more.
I would work my whole life to be an impact player, not be lucky enough to be on a great team.

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Personal awards over a championship? Yikes...Cup for sure.

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I agree, but when it comes to 5 Indivdual awards, and the most prestigious individual award (other than conn smythe) at that, I'll take it over one cup any day
As voted by hockey writers.

It's clearly a difference in personality. Not good or bad either way, but one of those half full / half empty things. If 99 never won a Cup, his Harts would be afterthoughts.

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The Cup, because every kid dreams about hoisting the Stanley Cup, not taking a picture with the Hart Trophy at the Awards Show.

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If I was a Conn Smythe winner it says something different,
Pretty much. With the way the question is posed right now, it should be 5 Harts without question. One of the best players ever vs. some 4th line scrub who played <5 minutes a game and not even every game.
A better question would be 5 Harts or the Conn Smythe.

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I'd rather win a Cup, without a doubt: Your name forever engraved on the most significant piece of history the sport has (and arguably any sport has) and the ring to show it.
And 5 harts won't?

It would only solidify you as one of the best EVER to play the game of hockey, there are many names on the cup, including the not so great players who got carried to a championship. Winning 5 hart trophies puts you in top-10 forward all time category, assuming you are a forward of course. Only Howe and Gretzky have more harts.

As a player I'd want to be the best that I could be, that's just my opinion. A cup is great for sure, but depending on your role on that cup team, it might not be as satisfying.

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Pretty much. With the way the question is posed right now, it should be 5 Harts without question. One of the best players ever vs. some 4th line scrub who played <5 minutes a game and not even every game.
A better question would be 5 Harts or the Conn Smythe.
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I would work my whole life to be an impact player, not be lucky enough to be on a great team.
Anyone who's played sports and won a championship at any level knows 1) How satisfying it is to know you had a big impact on the success, or 2) how it sucks to be watching from the bench as you rely on the better guys to get the job done.

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OP had it right.

5 harts because you're guaranteed to be making mad bank. Ovechkin money+.

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Pretty much. With the way the question is posed right now, it should be 5 Harts without question. One of the best players ever vs. some 4th line scrub who played <5 minutes a game and not even every game.
A better question would be 5 Harts or the Conn Smythe.

Where does the question say "4th line scrub vs. 5 time Hart winner"?


Vincent Lecavalier has a Cup ring, more money than all of HF and no Harts.

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Why would you not want to win the ultimate prize? I realize this is opinion-based, but it makes zero sense. Look at Dan Marino. He's one of the greatest of all time, but he has no ring!

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OP had it right.

5 harts because you're guaranteed to be making mad bank. Ovechkin money+.
Richards/Carter money would still be ok, no? Quick money?

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so technically this is do we want to be gretzky with the oilers, or gretzky once he left edmonton.

i'm guessing because gretzky couldn't win a cup once he got off of what is called to this day one of the best teams teams to ever be assembled he is a choker also?

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