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Who do you think is trying harder to get the game back on the ice?

View Poll Results: Who's trying harder to get the game back on the ice?
NHL 97 58.79%
NHLPA 68 41.21%
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11-22-2012, 08:21 PM
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Who do you think is trying harder to get the game back on the ice?

This is a separate poll to the other, which asked whose side you were on. This question is extremely directed- regardless of who you support, who do you think is making a bigger effort to negotiate and, ultimately, get the game back playing?

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11-22-2012, 08:24 PM
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The players they are giving everywhere and taking nothing they didn't already have.

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11-22-2012, 08:25 PM
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The players they are giving everywhere and taking nothing they didn't already have.
Yup: welcome to "Lockout 101". You're argument doesn't have any relevance at all though.

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11-22-2012, 08:39 PM
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They're both doing all they can to get the game back on their conditions, not enough is done in common.

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11-22-2012, 09:02 PM
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NHLPA

Only because they offered a full proposal recently (even though it may not have had much new stuff in it).

Let's see the NHL respond with a full counter-proposal that actually compromises on one or two things.

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11-22-2012, 09:02 PM
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They're both doing all they can to get the game back on their conditions, not enough is done in common.
I guess the only way you can evaluate that is who's moved closer to the middle ground than the other.

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11-22-2012, 09:10 PM
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Jeremy Jacobs took Ray Bourque to arbitration and allowed countless valuable players to hold out during his reign of terror in Boston. He only cares about getting a good business deal, he cares very very little about getting the game back on the ice.

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11-22-2012, 10:14 PM
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I do not understand how anyone can say a group, that finally gave its first complete official proposal 2 months into a lockout, is try to get a labor negotiation completed.

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11-22-2012, 10:16 PM
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Fehr vs. Bettman? It's a tie, neither one wants the game back on the ice unless the other side unconditionally surrenders.

The players vs. the owners? The rank-and-file players want to play more. Clearly not all 700 of them agree with the hard-line stance of Fehr and company as evidenced in the last few days.

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11-22-2012, 10:18 PM
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the owners. the players probably have more at stake (as a group) but I think this is where Fehr was hoping it would go.

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11-22-2012, 10:24 PM
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The NHL initiated the lockout and went way beyond what just about any one of us expected to ask for initially, even as a bargaining tactic, following which the NHLPA's made multiple counterproposals to the league and have even knocked off tens, if not hundreds, of millions off their bottom line in concessions to the owners.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the NHLPA's tried harder.

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11-22-2012, 10:29 PM
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Previously the NHL but now it's a tie. I'd rank NHLs October offer and the last NHLPA offer evenly. Let's see what happens in the coming weeks.

Overall, both sides have done an abysmal job. Fehr and Bettman should be fired once this is over. I can't believe they managed to screw this one up.

Ryan Miller sums it up perfectly "This process has more of the appearance of brand suicide than a negotiation.”


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11-22-2012, 10:43 PM
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IMO it looks like the republicans and democrats.....all they want to do is make the other one look bad instead of caring about the real matter at hand. It does appear that the PA is at least making an effort. I am fed up with the whole thing but overall it appears that the greedy owners do not want to pay for the contracts they are responsible for.

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11-22-2012, 11:27 PM
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Does anyone really know for sure? i.e., we have not seen a public showing of any player proposal. Yeah they have said they have proposed lots, but really, it could be a lot of tiny mean nothing changes. Same with the NHL.

At this point it is just which side you relate to best and which "insider" you tend to like. People will believe what they want to irregardless of any tangible proof.

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11-22-2012, 11:59 PM
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I think both sides want to play but only when their conditions are being met. I think the league is the bigger obstacle by default as they are the ones attempting to get massive change from the status quo and seem hellbent on getting it. You offer the players the 2005 CBA and they'd take it in an instant and we'd be off within a week.

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11-23-2012, 01:38 AM
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Clearly the PA is. They are at least making offers. The NHL doesn't even counter-propose--they just make them make a new offer.

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Strange thing....
People on HFboards believe

1) owners have all the cards and all the leverage
2) owners are trying hardest to get a deal done

Anyone else see the problem with that picture

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11-23-2012, 03:12 AM
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I do not understand how anyone can say a group, that finally gave its first complete official proposal 2 months into a lockout, is try to get a labor negotiation completed.
Read people's answers and you'll find out.

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The NHL initiated the lockout
The NHLPA made the lockout inevitable by hiring Donald Fehr.

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11-23-2012, 07:58 AM
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The NHLPA - a negotiation where one side is trying to take back as much as they can in every area (even in areas where they don't need to) is never going to go well.

eta - sorry, i meant PA, not NHL. also, i should have voted for NHLPA...i thought the question was whose fault was it they weren't playing right now...so said NHL.


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11-23-2012, 09:01 AM
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The NHL. All Fehr seems to be doing is stalling the process.

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I voted NHLPA - but I support the owners.

Fact is, owners have gone as far as they can (some owners actually say it's too far) so they can't do anything of substance any more to get a deal done.

There best offer has been out there for over a month. So my default, it has to go to the players who are continuously making new offers.

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How anyone can say anything other than the NHLPA is ludicrous. The NHL created the lockout - they reject reject reject - hell - they even tried to 'lockout' the lockout for 2 weeks. Talk about taking your ball and going home - to extremes!

**** bettman and the current ownership. Time for a new league with sensible ownership, in sensible markets. The Stanley Cup and old NHL teams that can and want to make a go at it are welcome. My Habs were pre-NHL - they can be post NHL as well. The NHL had better reverse it's anti-negotiating ways very quickly...

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11-23-2012, 09:25 AM
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The NHPLA has been stalling since last season. Fehr won't give his best offer until the season is on the line, maybe later if he can convince the players to risk it. I mean come on, they refused to negotiate during the last season after being asked to multiple times and they take up till now to give a complete proposal.

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Where is the even option? I don't think the owners like losing money any more than the players.

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