HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > The History of Hockey
The History of Hockey Relive great moments in hockey history and discuss how the game has changed over time.

John or Paul? (MacLean, that is...)

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
12-10-2012, 09:28 PM
  #1
Beastdog75
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Brick, NJ
Country: United States
Posts: 21
vCash: 500
John or Paul? (MacLean, that is...)

Just wondering about the general consensus on these two players is. Which had the better career and/or who would you prefer to have on your team? I know they are unrelated, but I thought that they had some similarities career wise. John had a bit more longevity but at their peak both players were consistent 30 to 40 goal scorers (Paul broke the 100 point plateau in 84-85). Both could play with a bit of an edge if necessary. John has a ring though, which along with his longevity might tip the scales in his favor for me.

Beastdog75 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-10-2012, 10:10 PM
  #2
LeBlondeDemon10
Registered User
 
LeBlondeDemon10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,633
vCash: 500
Yeah, Paul had that big season, but he was very one dimensional. There used to be a guy at the old Winnipeg Arena who would bellow when Big Mac wasn't skating,"Have another cement burger Maclean." I don't recall him creating too many goals. He was more of a finisher, relying on Hawerchuk's pretty passes most of the time. Kind of like Tim Kerr.

LeBlondeDemon10 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
12-10-2012, 10:46 PM
  #3
Kloparren
Hth
 
Kloparren's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Country: Canada
Posts: 10,449
vCash: 500
Never saw Paul play but these are the types of threads we need. Not the constant Lidstrom vs Bourque or Messier vs whomever. Everyone can find info about those players and it devolves into pointless arguments about which great was greater.

I like reading up on notable players like these two who don't get mentioned much.

Kloparren is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-11-2012, 01:04 AM
  #4
pdd
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 5,578
vCash: 500
Paul MacLean was forced to retire due to a rib injury in 1990-91.

If we look at the years starting with P.MacLean's 81-82 season until then, and compare that to the same stretch by age over J.MacLean's career, we get this.

Paul MacLean played in a much higher scoring era, and benefited from playing with Dale Hawerchuk and later Steve Yzerman. John MacLean benefited from consistently having solid scoring on his team to help him (such a Kirk Muller, Patrik Sundstrom, Pat Verbeek, Brendan Shanahan, Claude Lemieux, Stephane Richer, Alexander Semak, Valeri Zelepukin, Bill Guerin, and Bobby Holik).

Paul beats John soundly in raw points and PPG over that period, and beats him not-so-soundly in adjusted points and PPG. But that's not all, of course. John was better when not scoring, and obviously didn't have his career ended at 32.

I still have to go with Paul MacLean though, if only as a broken tie. A 21.4% career shooting percentage is nothing to sneeze at for a guy who scored goals at a .45 GPG rate (54th all-time).

But neither of these guys was more than a mediocre first liner capable of putting up a stellar year here or there, but not in line with the star wingers.

pdd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-11-2012, 02:42 PM
  #5
Hawkey Town 18
Moderator
 
Hawkey Town 18's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 4,164
vCash: 500
John for me...a slight edge in prime regular season offense for Paul is not enough to make up for John's pretty clear edges in longevity, playoffs, physicality, and defense.

Hawkey Town 18 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-11-2012, 06:23 PM
  #6
MS
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Vancouver, BC
Posts: 12,070
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkey Town 18 View Post
John for me...a slight edge in prime regular season offense for Paul is not enough to make up for John's pretty clear edges in longevity, playoffs, physicality, and defense.
Pretty much this.

Paul was a good finisher who put up good numbers while playing with a HHOF center in Dale Hawerchuk.

John was a terrific all-around player who put up only slightly inferior numbers while usually being the best player on his line. Or pre 1991 knee injury at least - he was never quite the same player after missing an entire season.

MS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-11-2012, 08:23 PM
  #7
vadim sharifijanov
Registered User
 
vadim sharifijanov's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 8,865
vCash: 500
i think it's johnny mac pretty easily. but i kind of marvel at paul maclean's career. he plays on three teams in his career, and his usual centers are hawerchuk, yzerman, and oates.

vadim sharifijanov is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-11-2012, 10:00 PM
  #8
seventieslord
Moderator
 
seventieslord's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Regina, SK
Country: Canada
Posts: 23,664
vCash: 500
Oh God, John, easily

seventieslord is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
12-11-2012, 10:15 PM
  #9
overpass
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 3,512
vCash: 500
I'd take John as a player and Paul as a coach.

overpass is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:35 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.