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05-04-2013, 07:06 PM
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Depending on track condition, I am looking at Orb, Revolutionary and Itsmyluckyday.
You needed my Golden Soul for the $3,462.80 triple.
A box of my 4 picks gave you the $981.60 exacta.
No, I didn't have it. No OTB's where I live.

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Overanalyze - looking back at my comments, and watching the Ark Derby again, I'm very impressed how this horse finished. I don't think he'll have any problems with the distance. He's also well placed in the gate. The issue will be whether or not he handles the wet track/mud in his face.

Itsmyluckyday - ran two huge numbers before his bounce in the Fla Derby. That was after a two month layoff, so he may've not been wound 100%. He's well placed in the gate and will love the off track. The main issue is the distance.

Orb - will get the distance. Needs a clever ride from 15, and is a question on an off track.

Longshot - Golden Soul - he's crying for this distance and is improving.
Surprisingly, the race turned out pretty close to form with that track condition.
Blinkers on Palice Music worked against any of the 'close up' type of horses, and set it up for the deep closers.

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You needed my Golden Soul for the $3,462.80 triple.
A box of my 4 picks gave you the $981.60 exacta.
No, I didn't have it. No OTB's where I live.



Surprisingly, the race turned out pretty close to form with that track condition.
Blinkers on Palice Music worked against any of the 'close up' type of horses, and set it up for the deep closers.
You made a smart longshot prediction. Good job. I had two of the top three but Golden Soul surprised me.

Change of topic, do you remember the Codex-Genuine Risk controversy in the 1980 Preakness? Any thoughts?

A pedigree site has Colonel Moran, who finished third, still alive at 36 years of age.



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You made a smart longshot prediction. Good job. I had two of the top three but Golden Soul surprised me.

Change of topic, do you remember the Codex-Genuine Risk controversy in the 1980 Preakness? Any thoughts?

A pedigree site has Colonel Moran, who finished third, still alive at 36 years of age.

Of course.

Huge controversy. Codex (Cordero I believe) should've come down. Those were the days when Cordero got away with murder. He also controlled the NY entries, as they were naming jocks on multiple horses per race.

That win was Wayne Lucas 1st claim to fame.

I commend Colonel Moran for his longevity, but he wasn't much of a star on the track.

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Of course.

Huge controversy. Codex (Cordero I believe) should've come down. Those were the days when Cordero got away with murder. He also controlled the NY entries, as they were naming jocks on multiple horses per race.

That win was Wayne Lucas 1st claim to fame.

I commend Colonel Moran for his longevity, but he wasn't much of a star on the track.
One of the announcers yesterday mentioned Code West and I erroneously heard it as "Code-X" which made me think of the race.

Cordero is mentioned often in comments elsewhere regarding this race.

Colonel Moran was the subject of topic in a book authored by Beyer. The chart shows he finished 1st or 2nd until he got hammered in Gulfstream.

I can't forward a link but www.google.com enter "Colonel Moran horse" and a few pages from the book (The Winning Horseplayer: An Advanced Approach to Thoroughbred) will show charts and analysis. It is the sixth option on the results page on Google's site.

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KENTUCKY DERBY OVERNIGHT RATING ON NBC TIES FOR BEST IN 21 YEARS

Race Portion up 16% and Pre-Race up 15% from 2012

Louisville Leads All Local Markets with a 43.7/69; up 38% from 2012

NEW YORK – May 5, 2013 – NBC Sports’ coverage of Saturday’s Kentucky Derby, won by Orb, drew a 10.4 overnight rating and a 23 share for the race portion (6-7 p.m. ET), up 16% from the 2012 Kentucky Derby, according to overnight data provided today by The Nielsen Company. The 10.4 overnight rating ties the 2010 race as the best for a Kentucky Derby in 21 years (10.9/29 in 1992).

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http://nbcsportsgrouppressbox.com/20...t-in-21-years/
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Probable starters for the 2013 Preakness Stakes

http://www.drf.com/news/preakness-st...-consideration

Horse TrainerJockeyLast race/finish
Departing Al Stall Jr. Brian Hernandez Jr. Illinois Derby, 1st
Goldencents Doug O'Neill Kevin Krigger Kentucky Derby, 17th
Govenor Charlie Bob Baffert Martin Garcia Sunland Derby, 1st
Itsmyluckyday Eddie Plesa Jr. John Velazquez Kentucky Derby, 15th
Mylute Tom Amoss Rosie Napravnik Kentucky Derby, 5th
Normandy Invasion Chad Brown Javier Castellano Kentucky Derby, 4th
Orb Shug McGaughey Joel Rosario Kentucky Derby, 1st
Oxbow D. Wayne Lukas Gary Stevens Kentucky Derby, 6th
Street Spice Greg Geier Jeffrey Sanchez Illinois Derby, 5th
Titletown Five D. Wayne Lukas Julien LeparouxDerby Trial, 4th
Vyjack Rudy Rodriguez Garrett Gomez Kentucky Derby, 18th
Will Take Charge D. Wayne Lukas Mike SmithKentucky Derby, 8th

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Changes to Lukas's entries:

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Trainer D. Wayne Lukas has named Mike Smith to ride Will Take Charge and Julien Leparoux on Titletown Five for the Preakness Stakes at Pimlico on May 18.

Smith, who rode Palace Malice in the Kentucky Derby, will replace Jon Court, who had been aboard Will Take Charge in six of his eight starts. Will Take Charge finished eighth in the Derby after having to check at the three-sixteenths pole behind a tiring Verrazano.


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http://www.drf.com/news/preakness-st...-consideration

Horse TrainerJockeyLast race/finish
Departing Al Stall Jr. Brian Hernandez Jr. Illinois Derby, 1st
Goldencents Doug O'Neill Kevin Krigger Kentucky Derby, 17th
Govenor Charlie Bob Baffert Martin Garcia Sunland Derby, 1st
Itsmyluckyday Eddie Plesa Jr. John Velazquez Kentucky Derby, 15th
Mylute Tom Amoss Rosie Napravnik Kentucky Derby, 5th
Normandy Invasion Chad Brown Javier Castellano Kentucky Derby, 4th
Orb Shug McGaughey Joel Rosario Kentucky Derby, 1st
Oxbow D. Wayne Lukas Gary Stevens Kentucky Derby, 6th
Street Spice Greg Geier Jeffrey Sanchez Illinois Derby, 5th
Titletown Five D. Wayne Lukas TBA Derby Trial, 4th
Vyjack Rudy Rodriguez Garrett Gomez Kentucky Derby, 18th
Will Take Charge D. Wayne Lukas Jon Court Kentucky Derby, 8th

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Pitbull and more in the infield at the Preakness: http://www.preakness.com/infield/infieldfest
3 Lukas entries, and not 1 entry by Pletcher. Very unusual.

Pletcher showed he's human on Saturday.
Putting blinkers on Palace Malice turned out to be disastrous for both Palice Malice and Verrazano, who was used chasing the brutal pace.
That's the type of rookie move that loses clients.

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3 Lukas entries, and not 1 entry by Pletcher. Very unusual.

Pletcher showed he's human on Saturday.
Putting blinkers on Palace Malice turned out to be disastrous for both Palice Malice and Verrazano, who was used chasing the brutal pace.
That's the type of rookie move that loses clients.
Pletcher was on the defensive during a pre-Derby interview. When asked about his 1-for-51 (whatever) record at the Derby, he said "I look at it as being 1-for-12 (because of multiple entries)." He should have emphasized the win and how tough it is to get to the winner's circle.

I had a feeling Departing's connections was shooting for this race after the Illinois Derby.

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2 My Name Is Michael J. Alvarado W. Mott
3 Battier J. Rosario T. Pletcher
4 Fear the Kitten R. Maragh M. Maker
5 Abraham J. Velazquez T. Pletcher
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News out there breaking that Hollywood Park is closing at the end of this year. Finally found a way to do it. Such a shame.

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Yeah that blows. The ownership there was set on that from the get go though. Had no interest in keeping HP going, they had their eyes on the land and here we are. Shame to see it go out like that.

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I really enjoyed the Derby on saturday. Enjoyed the pre-race coverage as well and getting to Wise Dan win again....what a horse. I had Verrazano picked to win, followed by Golden Cents and Orb.

I've followed horse racing casually (some years very casually) since Silver Charm made a great attempt at the Triple Crown in '97 and I've been wondering lately which horses would be considered the greatest since that time. For several years, I thought Smarty Jones was the best I've ever seen but that may be because I've always followed the 3 year olds closer than the older horses in the Breeder Cup etc. I have been following the sport closer since Big Brown's run at the Triple Crown in '08 and have came to realize that some horses hit their peak after their 3 year old season ie Wise Dan and Game On Dude.

If you had to make a list of the top 5 or 10 horses since 1997, what would it look like? Even you don't want to rank them just a list would be interesting. I'm talking strictly North American horses or ones that raced most of their career in NA.

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I really enjoyed the Derby on saturday. Enjoyed the pre-race coverage as well and getting to Wise Dan win again....what a horse. I had Verrazano picked to win, followed by Golden Cents and Orb.

I've followed horse racing casually (some years very casually) since Silver Charm made a great attempt at the Triple Crown in '97 and I've been wondering lately which horses would be considered the greatest since that time. For several years, I thought Smarty Jones was the best I've ever seen but that may be because I've always followed the 3 year olds closer than the older horses in the Breeder Cup etc. I have been following the sport closer since Big Brown's run at the Triple Crown in '08 and have came to realize that some horses hit their peak after their 3 year old season ie Wise Dan and Game On Dude.

If you had to make a list of the top 5 or 10 horses since 1997, what would it look like? Even you don't want to rank them just a list would be interesting. I'm talking strictly North American horses or ones that raced most of their career in NA.
Listing the top horses since 1997 can be difficult similar to any other sport but horses don't have the same lifespan year-to-year. Some retire to stud earlier and that is another way to include ranks: how their gene pool succeeds.

I have never been a proponent of ranking athletes/accomplishments because I believe you compete against your opponents and what happens in those events is what matters. Example, two of the all-time best in the late 70s: Affirmed and Spectacular Bid are often separated by a slim margin. Spectacular Bid, one of my favorites, is the better horse in my view, but he lost a race in which he ran against Affirmed (who was a year older and that is important in the industry). Affirmed also won the Triple Crown and faced a legendary opponent in Alydar. Spectacular Bid didn't have an equally stellar rival (Affirmed vs. Alydar) and lost in the Belmont for every reason short of voodoo. So, who gets the nod there? I think Bid was better but Affirmed, built smaller, had the bigger wins. All that said, I go with Bid.

Back to your question, and this is a rough draft:
  1. Point Given - The connections were devastated he didn't win the TC.
  2. Ghostzapper - Great horse, his pedigree is one to follow. Could easily be #1.
  3. Tiznow - His pedigree ranks very high.
  4. Smarty Jones - An entertaining run. Gary Stevens, a jockey, compared him to Secretariat.
  5. Afleet Alex - One of the most compelling stories in the sport at any time.

Big Brown was phenomenal but another who met an odd end to his career.

Barbaro we will never know and I think he could have been a modern and modified version of Seattle Slew (not as good but just a beast).

Curlin won Horse of the Year twice.

Silver Charm is up there.

Add to the honorable mentions Blame and Lookin at Lucky.

Funny Cide ran 38 times which in itself is a remarkable achievement.

The fillies Zenyatta and Rachel Alexandra had great accomplishments but how would they fare consistently against any of those listed? Zenyatta could top the list of many and that wouldn't be shocking.

If I missed any, the others here will correct me.

And here is one of the best sporting events ever and a phenomenal call that rivals almost anything in sports. Real Quiet won the first two legs of the Triple Crown and had the same jockey as Big Brown:



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Already coming down heavy here in Monmouth County, except lots of off the turf races and scratches for the MP opener tomorrow, supposed to go all day sadly.

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I have Zenyatta among my top 5. If she would have gotten a race over Chuchill, I think she doesn't lose a race.

Ghostzapper is #1 for me. Could win any way he had to.

Invasor and Awesome Again are up there for me too.

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I have Zenyatta among my top 5. If she would have gotten a race over Chuchill, I think she doesn't lose a race.

Ghostzapper is #1 for me. Could win any way he had to.

Invasor and Awesome Again are up there for me too.
I didn't include Invasor because of his South American upbringing (the question was limited to North American) but of course he ran here, too.

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$500,000 Black-Eyed Susan Stakes (gr. II, Race 10, 4:47 p.m.), 3YO Fillies, 1 1/8 Miles
PP. Horse, Jockey, Weight, Trainer, ML Odds
1. Manuka Honey (KY), E S Prado, 122, J P Terranova, II, 10/1
2. Lady Banks (ON), J Pimentel, 116, J L Lawrence, II, 30/1
3. Fiftyshadesofhay (KY), J Rosario, 122, B Baffert, 2/1
4. Petit Trianon (KY), V R Carrasco, 116, J C Vazquez, 20/1
5. Walkwithapurpose (MD), J Lezcano, 122, I Correas, IV, 5/1
6. Maracuya (KY), J R Velazquez, 116, R E Nicks, 6/1
7. Emollient (KY), M E Smith, 122, W I Mott, 9/5
8. Toasting (FL), J Castellano, 116, T Albertrani. 20/1
9. Marathon Lady (FL), R Albarado, 116, S Hobby, 12/1
Blinkers On: Fiftyshadesofhay, Toasting
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FRI and SAT Television Schedule
  • Fri. May 17
  • 3-4 p.m. Preakness Classics, NBC Sports Network
  • 4-5 p.m. Black Eyed Susan Stakes, NBC Sports Network

    Sat. May 18
  • 2:30-4:30 p.m. Preakness Stakes Saturday, NBC Sports Network
  • 4:30-6:30 p.m. Preakness Stakes, NBC
  • 6:30-7 p.m. Preakness Post-Race Show, NBC Sports Network

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Orb draws the inside post. Much different in a 9-horse field than in a Derby-sized race. The last number 1 to win the Preakness from the inside post came in 1994. Let's get it done.

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$1,000,000 Preakness Stakes (gr. I), 3YOs, 1 3/16 miles (dirt)
Post |Horse |Jockey |Trainer |Odds
1 Orb Joel Rosario Shug McGaughey Even
2 Goldencents Kevin Krigger Doug O'Neill 8-1
3 Titletown Five Julien Leparoux D. Wayne Lukas 30-1
4 Departing Brian Hernandez Jr. Al Stall Jr. 6-1
5 Mylute Rosie Napravnik Tom Amoss 5-1
6 Oxbow Gary Stevens D. Wayne Lukas 15-1
7 Will Take Charge Mike Smith D. Wayne Lukas 12-1
8 Govenor Charlie Martin Garcia Bob Baffert 12-1
9 Itsmyluckyday John Velazquez Eddie Plesa Jr. 10-1
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Listing the top horses since 1997 can be difficult similar to any other sport but horses don't have the same lifespan year-to-year. Some retire to stud earlier and that is another way to include ranks: how their gene pool succeeds.

I have never been a proponent of ranking athletes/accomplishments because I believe you compete against your opponents and what happens in those events is what matters. Example, two of the all-time best in the late 70s: Affirmed and Spectacular Bid are often separated by a slim margin. Spectacular Bid, one of my favorites, is the better horse in my view, but he lost a race in which he ran against Affirmed (who was a year older and that is important in the industry). Affirmed also won the Triple Crown and faced a legendary opponent in Alydar. Spectacular Bid didn't have an equally stellar rival (Affirmed vs. Alydar) and lost in the Belmont for every reason short of voodoo. So, who gets the nod there? I think Bid was better but Affirmed, built smaller, had the bigger wins. All that said, I go with Bid.

Back to your question, and this is a rough draft:
  1. Point Given - The connections were devastated he didn't win the TC.
  2. Ghostzapper - Great horse, his pedigree is one to follow. Could easily be #1.
  3. Tiznow - His pedigree ranks very high.
  4. Smarty Jones - An entertaining run. Gary Stevens, a jockey, compared him to Secretariat.
  5. Afleet Alex - One of the most compelling stories in the sport at any time.

Big Brown was phenomenal but another who met an odd end to his career.

Barbaro we will never know and I think he could have been a modern and modified version of Seattle Slew (not as good but just a beast).

Curlin won Horse of the Year twice.

Silver Charm is up there.

Funny Cide ran 38 times which in itself is a remarkable achievement.

The fillies Zenyatta and Rachel Alexandra had great accomplishments but how would they fare consistently against any of those listed? Zenyatta could top the list of many and that wouldn't be shocking.

If I missed any, the others here will correct me.

And here is one of the best sporting events ever and a phenomenal call that rivals almost anything in sports. Real Quiet won the first two legs of the Triple Crown and had the same jockey as Big Brown:

Thanks for the response, I appreciate it. I've been meaning to reply for days but have been extremely busy with work.

I know what you mean about ranking horses and athletes in general. There's so many factors that can be considered that it pretty much makes it pointless. Nonetheless, it can be fun.

I kind of remember Point Given or at least remember him winning the two TC races. I didn't follow the sport closely at all back then. I didn't follow the Breeders Cup back when Ghostzapper and Tiznow raced in them but I've seen some highlights of them over the years and they're amazing horses. Afleet Alex is one of my favourites, another amazing horse.

I was curious to see if Zenyetta and Rachel Alexandra got mentioned. I figured they would especially Zenyetta but it is tougher to figure out where to rank them.

Do you think Charismatic would be on the list if his career hadn't come to a tragic end?

I know he wasn't as impressive as Barbaro but he won some big races.

Thanks for the video, I remember Real Quiet missing out on the TC but don't recall watching the race so that was great to see.

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I have Zenyatta among my top 5. If she would have gotten a race over Chuchill, I think she doesn't lose a race.

Ghostzapper is #1 for me. Could win any way he had to.

Invasor and Awesome Again are up there for me too.
I don't remember watching either Invasor or Awesome Again race but I've read about how great they were.

How do you guys think Orb compares to all these horses or is it just too early to tell?

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Charismatic had a nice career and the image(s) with Chris Antley is frozen in time. Antley lost a battle to his own demons but his actions that day will always be remembered especially when he fell to the ground in despair. That said, Charismatic raced enough to evaluate his talents not to be on the same level (his record shows 5 wins in 17 races).

Orb is ongoing and his pedigree is a breeder's dream: in the distant bloodline are A.P. Indy, Unbridled, Seattle Slew and Secretariat. He still has to perform and enhance his status. As a comparison, Big Brown decimated his competition but the level of challengers wasn't quite as impressive as some other years and that criteria could be used when forming such a list. It will take the spring, summer and fall to properly evaluate Orb and also his competitors to see where his legacy is rated.

A horse I overlooked in the earlier post is Blame who beat Zenyatta. He finished in the money all 13 races and won 9 but finished second to Zenyatta for Horse of the Year when many thought he should win. He also beat some fine horses over time including Quality Road. When Garrett Gomez was injured two days earlier and then returned to ride Blame in that celebrated race, the roller coaster of the sport was on full display.


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Orb draws the inside post. Much different in a 9-horse field than in a Derby-sized race. The last number 1 to win the Preakness from the inside post came in 1994. Let's get it done.



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Orb should benefit from the rail and get the ground saving trip.

He's better than these, and the only thing that will stop him will be unforseen traffic trouble.

Several late runners like Departing, Mylute, and Will Take Charge all have talent. But I think they'll be running for 2nd money.

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Charismatic had a nice career and the image(s) with Chris Antley is frozen in time. Antley lost a battle to his own demons but his actions that day will always be remembered especially when he fell to the ground in despair. That said, Charismatic raced enough to evaluate his talents not to be on the same level (his record shows 5 wins in 17 races).

Orb is ongoing and his pedigree is a breeder's dream: in the distant bloodline are A.P. Indy, Unbridled, Seattle Slew and Secretariat. He still has to perform and enhance his status. As a comparison, Big Brown decimated his competition but the level of challengers wasn't quite as impressive as some other years and that criteria could be used when forming such a list. It will take the spring, summer and fall to properly evaluate Orb and also his competitors to see where his legacy is rated.

A horse I overlooked in the earlier post is Blame who beat Zenyatta. He finished in the money all 13 races and won 9 but finished second to Zenyatta for Horse of the Year when many thought he should win. He also beat some fine horses over time including Quality Road. When Garrett Gomez was injured two days earlier and then returned to ride Blame in that celebrated race, the roller coaster of the sport was on full display.
I didn't realize Charismatic had so many starts. Definitely not the record of a truly great horse.

I'm not familiar with Blame although I should be since I knew Zenyetta only lost once, didn't realize it was to him. I'll have to find a video of that race. From what I remember reading on Zenyetta's wiki page, she got off to a bad start and would've won had the race went any further.

Sorry for all the questions but I was wondering the other day, why did Wise Dan race in the Breeders Cup Mile this past year instead of the Classic?

I thought a horse of his caliber would've raced in the classic.

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I'm going with Orb-Departing-Itsmyluckyday right now but might change my mind before the race.

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I didn't realize Charismatic had so many starts. Definitely not the record of a truly great horse.

I'm not familiar with Blame although I should be since I knew Zenyetta only lost once, didn't realize it was to him. I'll have to find a video of that race. From what I remember reading on Zenyetta's wiki page, she got off to a bad start and would've won had the race went any further.

Sorry for all the questions but I was wondering the other day, why did Wise Dan race in the Breeders Cup Mile this past year instead of the Classic?

I thought a horse of his caliber would've raced in the classic.
Some years the horse is above even the Classic.

I'm not sure I remember all the circumstances, but it was likely the easiest road to Horse of the Year. It wasn't worth the risk against a field that wasn't that good at a distance he's never run at, nor the BC Turf which was a better field. Although, had he run and not won, he probably would have still won it. And he's gelded so there's nothing to gain in stud fees. And since he is a gelding, he can keep coming back. Also, it was unknown if Royal Delta was going to run in the Classic

For what it's worth, I thought Blame should have been Horse of the Year in 2010, and I remember posting that the connections looked pretty pissed off at the Awards Dinner that he didn't win it.

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I think Orb is the best horse, and will win. But I don't like the money that's going to be on him. He'll be less than even-money, and I don't like that in these types of races. If I could get 3/2, I'd take it. But I won't, so I'm going to get on Rosie's horse for the money. But I hope Orb wins, because I want to see a Triple Crown. The sports gods owe us one from last year.

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