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Neuvrith for J.Merrill + 3rd

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11-23-2012, 09:20 PM
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Neuvrith for J.Merrill + 3rd

good/bad deal?

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11-23-2012, 09:43 PM
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As a Devils fan, I'd rather not.

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11-23-2012, 09:48 PM
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As a Devils fan, I'd rather not.
Why not?

As a fan of neither team I assumed they would.

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11-23-2012, 09:50 PM
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We need a goalie coming back our way for Neuvy in the deal.

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11-23-2012, 10:22 PM
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We need a goalie coming back our way for Neuvy in the deal.
Which won't be happening.

And the Devils have Kinkaid and Wedgewood waiting in the wings. Not saying they're better options than Neuvirth, but they're good enough to depend on, without having to give up our second best defensive prospect.

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11-23-2012, 10:23 PM
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Why not?

As a fan of neither team I assumed they would.
its the 3rd round pick that NJ would never move!!

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We need a goalie coming back our way for Neuvy in the deal.
And the Devils don't need another goaltender until the 2014-2015 season...


Devils need forwards and I don't think they trade Merril unless a solid return.

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11-23-2012, 10:26 PM
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I would only trade Merrill for a Good Top 6 Fwd

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11-23-2012, 10:29 PM
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I would only trade Merrill for a Good Top 6 Fwd
Yup. He's only moving in a package for a quality goal scorer.

EDIT: That said, the value in this proposal isn't far off. It's just highly unrealistic.

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11-24-2012, 12:28 AM
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Contrary to popular belief, the Devils are not desperate to trade for a goalie. Marty is signed through next season, as is Moose. Lou is comfortable with that tandem for now. After that, we have Wedgewood, Kinkaid, Clermont, and Frazee taking up all the spots in the system. Lou might consider an upgrade, but he claims he is happy with the progress of the goalie prospects. Devils fans can easily see Wedgewood or Kinkaid panning out to become the long term successor for Marty.

Merrill is the Devils' second best defence prospect, behind only Larsson. He is not likely to be traded, and especially not for a goalie, a position that the Devils already have a glut at.

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its the 3rd round pick that NJ would never move!!
They already did. Minnesota owns New Jersey's 3rd round pick in 2013.

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11-24-2012, 01:51 AM
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I think the Devils should seriously consider the repercussions of Hedberg and Brodeur retiring at the same time. Neuvirth might not be the best fit, but relying on Wedgewood with possibly nobody else around is extremely risky. I think that having Brodeur for so long has diminshed the fact that it's very hard to get legitimate goaltending, and the vast majority of the time relying on prospects to fill the gap left by franchise talent(especially at goaltending) likely won't cut it.

Although I'd be curious who the Caps would use to Tandem with Holtby if the OP were to take place.

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11-24-2012, 02:14 AM
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I'd do for Volchenkov and a depth goalie.

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I'd do for Volchenkov and a depth goalie.
I'd rather not take on such a huge salary or package Hamrlik in the deal.

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I'd rather not take on such a huge salary or package Hamrlik in the deal.
Hamrlik is up after this year anyway.

Good idea though. Make em take Schultz.

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Probably too steep for the Devils.

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I think the Devils should seriously consider the repercussions of Hedberg and Brodeur retiring at the same time. Neuvirth might not be the best fit, but relying on Wedgewood with possibly nobody else around is extremely risky. I think that having Brodeur for so long has diminshed the fact that it's very hard to get legitimate goaltending, and the vast majority of the time relying on prospects to fill the gap left by franchise talent(especially at goaltending) likely won't cut it.

Although I'd be curious who the Caps would use to Tandem with Holtby if the OP were to take place.
This is not a perfect situation for the long-term but we've got to deal with this: Bordeur and Hedbeg are signed for the next 2 seasons and everyone from Lou Lamoriello to the Devils fanbase is ok with that.

So why would Devils trade one of their best prospect for a guy that is unlikely to play until end of 2014 ?

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I think the Devils should seriously consider the repercussions of Hedberg and Brodeur retiring at the same time. Neuvirth might not be the best fit, but relying on Wedgewood with possibly nobody else around is extremely risky. I think that having Brodeur for so long has diminshed the fact that it's very hard to get legitimate goaltending, and the vast majority of the time relying on prospects to fill the gap left by franchise talent(especially at goaltending) likely won't cut it.

Although I'd be curious who the Caps would use to Tandem with Holtby if the OP were to take place.
Yes that mighty happen, but instead of giving up our best defensive prospect, we are better off waiting until 2014-2015 and signing a UFA to play in a tandem with one of the young guys. We aren't in desperate need right now, maybe towards the end of the 2013-2014 season, we may find out that our goalies aren't ready, and then this trade is plausible.

Although, if this were to happen Devils would likely be sending Hedberg the other way, meaning we would be asking for a forward or forward prospect in return.


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While I think Neuvy is a solid goalie, I don't think he'd be any better than a stopgap (see Theodore) Devils are better off keeping Merrill, who has huge upside, and taking a chance from within

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I think the Devils should seriously consider the repercussions of Hedberg and Brodeur retiring at the same time. Neuvirth might not be the best fit, but relying on Wedgewood with possibly nobody else around is extremely risky. I think that having Brodeur for so long has diminshed the fact that it's very hard to get legitimate goaltending, and the vast majority of the time relying on prospects to fill the gap left by franchise talent(especially at goaltending) likely won't cut it.

Although I'd be curious who the Caps would use to Tandem with Holtby if the OP were to take place.
It's not hard to find a stopgap goalie in UFA if necessary, somebody to play in a tandem with Wedge or Kinkaid for a year until the kid is ready to take over full time. There are always more NHL calibre goalies than available goalie slots. Obviously they probably won't match the quality or steadiness of Marty, but Lou seems fine with taking that chance.

And it is possible that Marty will want to stick around a bit longer as a backup to transition in his successor.

Either way, that means trading a promising defensive prospect for a goalie right now is a bad idea.

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11-24-2012, 09:48 AM
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proven players > prospect. Neuvirth isnt that proven, but i really think that he could gain alot of valuable experience and consistency and become a solid starter, because the talent is there. the only issue is that the Devils have Marty and Moose locked up for 2 years with NTC's. i think Neuvirth is going to be a fantastic starter in the NHL, but the way the Devils have their goaltending structured, adding a goalie at this point would create more problems than solutions

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Absolutely not. No point in trading top D prospect and an additional draft pick for a goalie who won't start for at least two years.

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This is not a perfect situation for the long-term but we've got to deal with this: Bordeur and Hedbeg are signed for the next 2 seasons and everyone from Lou Lamoriello to the Devils fanbase is ok with that.

So why would Devils trade one of their best prospect for a guy that is unlikely to play until end of 2014 ?
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Yes that mighty happen, but instead of giving up our best defensive prospect, we are better off waiting until 2014-2015 and signing a UFA to play in a tandem with one of the young guys. We aren't in desperate need right now, maybe towards the end of the 2013-2014 season, we may find out that our goalies aren't ready, and then this trade is plausible.

Although, if this were to happen Devils would likely be sending Hedberg the other way, meaning we would be asking for a forward or forward prospect in return.
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It's not hard to find a stopgap goalie in UFA if necessary, somebody to play in a tandem with Wedge or Kinkaid for a year until the kid is ready to take over full time. There are always more NHL calibre goalies than available goalie slots. Obviously they probably won't match the quality or steadiness of Marty, but Lou seems fine with taking that chance.

And it is possible that Marty will want to stick around a bit longer as a backup to transition in his successor.

Either way, that means trading a promising defensive prospect for a goalie right now is a bad idea.
Yeah, sorry if I implied you should do this deal, as I said, Neuvirth wouldn't be a good fit at this point in time. But I don't think doing nothing for the next two years is a good idea either. That's all.

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If Merrill turns out as projected we can get a way better goalie than Neuvirth for him.

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Merrill is a defensive prospect that has top-pairing potential and has a high chance of reaching that.

The only way we would trade him would be for a first-line potential winger, or in a package for a top-pairing defenseman already established in the league.

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