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02-15-2013, 03:26 PM
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yes grabo's offensive play has let down a little but calm the **** down and give him time
He's very streaky. Everybody should know this. Question is can the leafs afford to have streaky players on their team ?

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02-15-2013, 03:30 PM
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Your right, Grabo, Liles, and Lupul are a complete waste, and you just can't win with Kessel being your best forward and Phaneuf your so called best D.
We could get a lot of young prospects, picks, and get Seth Jones or Nathan MacKinnon to build around rather than these chumps.

I'd much rather do that.

Time for a scorched earth policy.

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02-15-2013, 05:39 PM
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Atleast the guy is winning faceoffs. Sits at 9th in the league in faceoff wins.

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02-15-2013, 05:40 PM
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Interesting article.. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...rticle8748765/

Being primarily used as a shutdown center, one of the highest amounts of defensive zone starts.. 10th in PP time..

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02-15-2013, 05:48 PM
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He's an excellent even strength player. Hustles like crazy, tonnes of speed, good puck handler and shooter, totally willing to sacrifice the body to make plays, and a dynamic player who can generate offence out of nothing. However, he is only mediocre on the PP (which is more slowed down and cerebral, Grabo's balls to the walls play doesn't make as much of an impact in a set up cycle), and the fact that he's a somewhat puck dominant, shoot first centre means he's not necessarily the best fit with puck dominant, shoot first 1st line wingers (like Kessel).

He'd be an acceptable 1st line centre, but he's a great 2nd line centre. In general the 2nd line centre has a similar role to the 1st line centre, except with more of an ES focus (less PP time), and with worse wingers, and that suits Grabo perfectly. Also, if we moved Grabo up to the 1st line, we'd be a 1 line team, Grabo is really the only reason that our 2nd line is able to consistently generate offence.
It's the fact that he isn't tearing up the score every game at a PPG rate or better for some people to understand this. Why would management give him the contract he has if they didn't see what he brings to the team?

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02-15-2013, 08:55 PM
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He does need to step it up, but he has 18 shots on goal so far. Which really stems from the fact that he is being used to shut down the other teams top lines (and hes been doing a solid job). Im not making an excuse, just stating thats a contributing factor. I know he still needs to start producing more thou, and I am sure it will come. If he can produce on his regular pace (33 points this year) and be facing the other teams top lines while shutting them down, he will be earning his paycheck.

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02-17-2013, 03:21 AM
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a) you do not pay your 2nd line center 5.5 million per season to be a checking center.
b) he has not been fantastic. He's been passable as a checker. It's not his game
c) he is not the biggest reason we've been winning
d) this is not his first bad game
e) he is not going to produce 40-45 even strength points if he's being used as a checker. He's not likely to get 40-45 points total the way he's playing/being used. Based on his current play, he'd only be on pace for 35 points, and only 23 even strength in a full 82 games schedule.
f) he's also only playing 0:18 a game on the penalty kill
a) Yes, you can. We are, and are winning.
b) He has been fantastic as a checker. That is probably more his game than anything else.
c) He is one of the biggest reasons. And is also a big contributor to our young forwards having great seasons.
d) Yes, it was.
e) This is not the first year he has been used in a checking role. So yes, he should still put up 40-45 points in a checking role, as he has for 2 years.

And small sample size. Small sample size. Small sample size.
f) What's your point? He can play the PK. That doesn't mean he should if we have options that don't play every other shift against elite scorers, and are apparently expected to be elite offensively as well.

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Just because he's being used as a checker and we've been winning, doesn't mean he's that good at it.
Just because you say he is a bad checker and have no proof to back it up, doesn't mean he is bad at it.

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Grabovski has been on the ice for 11 of 23 even strength goals scored against us this season. So, almost half.
Now I wonder why the player who is always out against the best players who score the most would have the most goals scored against him... Hmmm...

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A guy can't be just a checking center for 5.5 million. There is production expected from him as well.
If that checking center puts up 40-45 even strength points as well, which Grabovski has for 2 years now (placing him as a top-15-20ish center in the league), then even if he is taken off the powerplay, playing him 5.5 million is still not a problem.

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He's very streaky. Everybody should know this. Question is can the leafs afford to have streaky players on their team ?
Assuming he is actually as streaky as people falsely claim on here, why is that bad? Who cares when in the season he scores his points? If he scores a goal every game for 5 games, are those 5 goals worth less than ones spread out throughout the season?

No. Even when he is not scoring, he is doing everything else you want out of a forward. So who cares when the scoring is in the season?

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02-17-2013, 05:32 AM
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imo, one of Bozak, Grabo or Kadri should be traded for help elsewhere.

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02-17-2013, 07:56 AM
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Grabo= trade or compliance buyout. terrible contract. ty burke!

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02-17-2013, 07:59 AM
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Grabo= trade or compliance buyout. terrible contract. ty burke!

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02-17-2013, 08:05 AM
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We could get a lot of young prospects, picks, and get Seth Jones or Nathan MacKinnon to build around rather than these chumps.

I'd much rather do that.

Time for a scorched earth policy.
If you want scorched earth Theres a team out west just begging to be followed.

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02-17-2013, 08:09 AM
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5.5 for what seems to be, according to grabo, a checking centre. he is good, but if he is our checking centre, he can't be making 5.5 and not producing offensively.

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02-17-2013, 11:45 AM
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Grabo= trade or compliance buyout. terrible contract. ty burke!
Agreed. Ship his ass out of here.

We don't need him and frankly I think McClement or Komarov would do better in the third line center position.

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02-17-2013, 11:56 AM
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Agreed. Ship his ass out of here.

We don't need him and frankly I think McClement or Komarov would do better in the third line center position.
how about we ship you to where you belong... the habs board.

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02-17-2013, 11:57 AM
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how about we ship you to where you belong... the habs board.
Why would you say that to me?

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02-17-2013, 11:58 AM
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5.5 for what seems to be, according to grabo, a checking centre. he is good, but if he is our checking centre, he can't be making 5.5 and not producing offensively.
He's our 2c. He is making 2c money.

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02-17-2013, 11:59 AM
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He's our 2c. He is making 2c money.
Nazem Kadri and Matt Frattin are not our third line checkers.

Grabos line is.

We paid Grabo 5.5 million to be a scoring line center, not a terrible checker.

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02-17-2013, 12:03 PM
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Nazem Kadri and Matt Frattin are not our third line checkers.

Grabos line is.

We paid Grabo 5.5 million to be a scoring line center, not a terrible checker.
we are not even a quarter through the season go cry more.

and a terrible checker??? so i guess randy is crazy putting grabo up against the other teams best line night after night

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Nazem Kadri and Matt Frattin are not our third line checkers.

Grabos line is.

We paid Grabo 5.5 million to be a scoring line center, not a terrible checker.
Wrong, we paid Grabbo 5.5 to help us win games. He does.

And can someone please provide the average toi for Grabbo/ Kulie vs Kadri/ Frattin?

Kadri may not be the best checker, but Grabbo is most certainly our 2c.

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Why would you say that to me?
Should be the Oilers board, scorched earth and all.

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we are not even a quarter through the season go cry more.

and a terrible checker??? so i guess randy is crazy putting grabo up against the other teams best line night after night
If he was such a good checker (he isn't, his linemates are), he would have played more than 18 seconds on the penalty kill.


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Wrong, we paid Grabbo 5.5 to help us win games. He does.

And can someone please provide the average toi for Grabbo/ Kulie vs Kadri/ Frattin?

Kadri may not be the best checker, but Grabbo is most certainly our 2c.
You're telling me Kadri and Frattin (our most prodigious scorers so far) are our checkers?


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Should be the Oilers board, scorched earth and all.
How are the Oilers using a scorched earth policy?

They are 3 points behind the Leafs with a game in hand.

And they don't need to trade any of their core pieces because they are actually good as opposed to Grabo/Kessel/Lupul/Liles/Phaneuf (bums)

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we are not even a quarter through the season go cry more.

and a terrible checker??? so i guess randy is crazy putting grabo up against the other teams best line night after night
Seems he plays Grabbo kind of all over the place in all situations, what a terrible coach.

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If he was such a good checker (he isn't, his linemates are), he would have played more than 18 seconds on the penalty kill.

why are you avoiding the fact that grabo is matched up againts the OVI's, Malkins of this league.. your points are terrible. change your avy to a habs one and leave this board.

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