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02-17-2013, 05:02 PM
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I believe my coach has made it very clear with the minutes he has assigned, so yes, my coach says so. Funny that he could easily be replaced by these players currently on the team but the coach has not done so eh? One would think RC would have caught on.

Playing 2c minutes, on the pp, in an offensive role. He is our 2c.

Anyway, it's become very clear that some people really have nothing to back up their stance.

I must now 'man up' and go cook dinner for the children.

For those that remain, always remember: stats matter not. Nothing is as objective as an opinion.
Again, you didn't answer the question.

If Grabovski is NOT our checking line / third line center...then who is?

Bozak or Kadri?

The answer is neither.

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02-17-2013, 05:04 PM
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Know who plays on the PP? Top offensive players? So guess who is not going to be sent out right after a PP finishes. Top offensive players.

Since Grabovski is matched up against the top offensive players, he will not be the offensive threat sent out right after a PK, like Kessel is.

He has been used as a PKer in the past, and it is not true that everybody who does not currently PK is a bad PKer.

Hell, you say Grabovski has never PKed. Then how exactly would you know he is a bad PKer?
Because when he was used as a PK'er with Wilson, we were dead last in the league. We have now improved and wouldn't you know it, Bozak is still getting that ice time where as Grabovski has received none.

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02-17-2013, 05:08 PM
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Because when he was used as a PK'er with Wilson, we were dead last in the league. We have now improved and wouldn't you know it, Bozak is still getting that ice time where as Grabovski has received none.
Ah, so because he averaged 1 minute of PK time years ago, during a year when our other PKers were bad, with a bad goalie for half of the season, under a terrible PK coach, he sucks and will suck forevermore.

Gotcha. *rolls eyes*

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02-17-2013, 05:09 PM
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Again, you didn't answer the question.

If Grabovski is NOT our checking line / third line center...then who is?

Bozak or Kadri?

The answer is neither.
Once again, it is very simple.

Kadri is our 3rd line center. Grabovski is our checking center.

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02-17-2013, 05:10 PM
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Ah, so because he averaged 1 minute of PK time years ago, during a year when our other PKers were bad, with a bad goalie for half of the season, under a terrible PK coach, he sucks and will suck forevermore.

Gotcha. *rolls eyes*
Yes and also since Randy Carlyle has recognized that Bozak and JVR are better defensive players than him and have given them prime minutes in BOTH the powerplay and penalty kill.

You know, players that are better all-round than Grabovski...

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02-17-2013, 05:15 PM
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I expect him to get going, he hasn't been bad at all IMO, in fact he's made some great plays in the offensive and defensive zone.

but I will say he isn't really creating much out there, there's times where I don't remember him being on the ice, unlike say Kessel who's always shooting/getting chances or JVR or Komarov etc.

He needs to get the offense going.

In fairness though it seems Kadri may be able to replace him within a season or two, bringing in a #1 C would bump Bozie to the 2nd/3rd slot, which would give us really cheap #2-3 centres and then most of the money for the #1.

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02-17-2013, 05:23 PM
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Once again, it is very simple.

Kadri is our 3rd line center. Grabovski is our checking center.
So we have a $5.5 million checking line center...

Wow..you know Komarov/McClement could do the same job for far cheaper right?

But I guess the extra 2 points Grabo has on Komarov and McClement makes that $5.5 worth it...

Too bad. That money could be better spent during free agency to get an actual number one center...dropping Bozak into the checking line center position.

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02-17-2013, 05:28 PM
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Yes and also since Randy Carlyle has recognized that Bozak and JVR are better defensive players than him and have given them prime minutes in BOTH the powerplay and penalty kill.

You know, players that are better all-round than Grabovski...
Prime PK minutes?

Bozak and JVR are 10th and 11th in PK time.

And Bozak and JVR being good defensively doesn't mean Grabovski is bad defensively. The little minutes they do get are more a representation of the role they play.

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02-17-2013, 05:35 PM
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So we have a $5.5 million checking line center...

Wow..you know Komarov/McClement could do the same job for far cheaper right?

But I guess the extra 2 points Grabo has on Komarov and McClement makes that $5.5 worth it...

Too bad. That money could be better spent during free agency to get an actual number one center...dropping Bozak into the checking line center position.
Komarov and McClement cannot do the same job. Your 15-game so-called analysis does not even support this. They may have the same defensive awareness, but their offensive ability, physical attributes, and face-off ability are much worse.

Very few centers can put up 40-45 even strength points. Even fewer can do it while shutting down top opposition.

We currently have plenty of cap space, and nothing to spend that cap space on. Nor is there any indication yet that there will be a better center that we could acquire in free agency next year. If eventually we get into a situation where there are better options available, or are in a cap crunch (while other people have stepped up), then we can talk, but right now, your points are baseless.

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02-17-2013, 06:04 PM
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So why has this team looked so much better than last season? I'm sure any 'biased' stat would back me up on that as well.
the teams not been better this year so far. at this point last year we had more points after 15 games then we do this year.

also if you wanted me to list what has helped this team improve it weaknesses Grabo wouldn't be near the top of the list which Goaltending from Reimer and Scrivens would be.

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02-17-2013, 07:20 PM
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the teams not been better this year so far. at this point last year we had more points after 15 games then we do this year.

also if you wanted me to list what has helped this team improve it weaknesses Grabo wouldn't be near the top of the list which Goaltending from Reimer and Scrivens would be.
What was our GAA average a year ago? And yes i am aware that Reimer/ scrivens are the next Roy/ Brodeur.

One of the things I've learned over the years is that your goaltending is only as good as the team in front of them.

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02-17-2013, 07:22 PM
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Again, you didn't answer the question.

If Grabovski is NOT our checking line / third line center...then who is?

Bozak or Kadri?

The answer is neither.
Kadri is our 3c. Check the numbers. It's very obvious.

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02-17-2013, 10:19 PM
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If you want to get Grabovski going, you gotta play him with more offensively talented players. Playing with Kulemin, who has lost his offensive touch & McClement isn't going to help the guy offensively. It's no coincidence that once the injuries piled up & JVR was moved up, Grabovski stopped contributing offense.

The Grabovski acting as a checking line center is just a bizarre experiment from Carlyle. They aren't paying this guy to check, they are paying him to contribute offensively. At the very least, you could try putting MacArthur back with him because he is having a tough time also.

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02-17-2013, 10:29 PM
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I wonder if the people here who think Grabovski is a 3rd-line center just because he plays the shutdown role, think that Bergeron is a 3rd-line center as well.

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02-17-2013, 10:32 PM
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If you want to get Grabovski going, you gotta play him with more offensively talented players. Playing with Kulemin, who has lost his offensive touch & McClement isn't going to help the guy offensively. It's no coincidence that once the injuries piled up & JVR was moved up, Grabovski stopped contributing offense.
I think this is a big part of it. Kulemin hasn't been producing for a couple years now, and Grabovski's other wing is usually a defensive specialist (McClement) or a rookie (Frattin, Ashton).

People seem to forget that we have big injuries. Lupul going out and JVR having to move up hurt Grabovski's production.

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