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11-29-2012, 11:06 AM
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That's horrible. Derek Stepan =/= Jordan Staal
No way.

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11-29-2012, 11:48 AM
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When did Jordan EVER show that he wanted out of PIT?
Only when he rejected the exact same deal from Pittsburgh that he signed in Carolina, but that was right at the very end.

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11-29-2012, 12:57 PM
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I don't know why we're debating between J.Staal and Stepan anyway. The counterparts in that trade would be J.Staal and M.staal. They cancel each other out. The other counterparts are Stepan and Gleason who imo are lightyears apart in value.
When i proposed it I did it ont he idea

J Staal > Stephan and M Staal > Gleason, I guess one would argue who has to add a little to the deal but it would be very minor either way

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11-29-2012, 02:30 PM
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Would be great to see from a Canes point of view....and hockey fan

After the Jordan deal i thought something around Marc for Murphy could make sense

Rangers need an offensive dman and right handed shot

Faulk/McBain also fit but Murphy having the higher ceiling ...and already a Ranger

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11-29-2012, 02:37 PM
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no way in hell Rangers would ever do that.so the Rangers not only trade the best player in the deal but then ADD??? no freaking way
Severely underestimating both Gleason and Jokinen.

Jokinen is a good second line all-around winger. Gleason is a rock defensively. That trade is pretty even. Hell, I think most Canes fans would be a bit reluctant to do that deal, a prospect gives them a little added bonus. Kind of like how Salmella was included in the Kovalchuk deal.

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11-29-2012, 05:11 PM
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Severely underestimating both Gleason and Jokinen.

Jokinen is a good second line all-around winger. Gleason is a rock defensively. That trade is pretty even. Hell, I think most Canes fans would be a bit reluctant to do that deal, a prospect gives them a little added bonus. Kind of like how Salmella was included in the Kovalchuk deal.
Where's the logic in giving up Staal for an inconsistent winger who we have no room for and a shutdown D who brings less offense to the table than Staal already does?

It's pretty simple: If you want Staal, prepare to give up something that will really sting. Faulk+ or something involving Skinner. If you don't want to pay what it would cost to pry him away from us, feel free to pin your hopes on the idea that he's planning on joining his brothers in Carolina. We have zero reason to trade him away.

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11-29-2012, 07:25 PM
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Like many of my fellow Ranger fans have said, the Rangers have ****loads of leverage. We're fine with our current lineup. We don't have to change a thing. The only reason Marc gets traded is for overpayment and in the present. Stanley Cup favorites don't trade important roster players in deals involving prospects unless they're NHL ready. Faulk+ or Skinner have to be in this deal.

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11-29-2012, 10:33 PM
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Severely underestimating both Gleason and Jokinen.

Jokinen is a good second line all-around winger. Gleason is a rock defensively. That trade is pretty even. Hell, I think most Canes fans would be a bit reluctant to do that deal, a prospect gives them a little added bonus. Kind of like how Salmella was included in the Kovalchuk deal.
Just curious, what player would be shipped out of Jersey for this package?

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Just curious, what player would be shipped out of Jersey for this package?

What? Gleason and Jokinen? Why? Acquiring Jordan Staal signaled to most that they are trying to win, and not rebuild. I say rebuild, because there is not anything in Jersey that I see as an improvement over those guys.

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Just curious, what player would be shipped out of Jersey for this package?
I like em both, but Gleason we have no use for. And we would only be able to give up D to acquire Jokinen, so I'm sure that deal would be worked out

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Jokinen is a good second line all-around winger.
He may be. But he wouldn't play on the the top two lines on the Rangers.

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11-30-2012, 02:51 PM
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Would be great to see from a Canes point of view....and hockey fan

After the Jordan deal i thought something around Marc for Murphy could make sense

Rangers need an offensive dman and right handed shot

Faulk/McBain also fit but Murphy having the higher ceiling ...and already a Ranger


Looks good in Rangers blue...
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Obviously it's foolish to even speculate on this right now, as Marc is a huge piece to the Rangers going for the Cup. But if Marc doesn't agree to a contract extension in the next couple years (Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think his deal is up in 2014-15), one has to think Marc wanting to play with his brothers is a legitimate possibility, especially if he helps the Rangers win a Cup.

I do think one day Marc will play in Carolina, but it won't be until 2015 at the earliest.

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We've already established what the price would be for Marc.

Unwilling to pay it? See you in 2015.

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12-03-2012, 04:04 AM
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staal for falk/mcbain and skinner
Justin Falk plays for Minnesota, not Carolina

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12-03-2012, 09:49 AM
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Like many of my fellow Ranger fans have said, the Rangers have ****loads of leverage. We're fine with our current lineup. We don't have to change a thing. The only reason Marc gets traded is for overpayment and in the present. Stanley Cup favorites don't trade important roster players in deals involving prospects unless they're NHL ready. Faulk+ or Skinner have to be in this deal.
Absolutely truth. The only way I see Staal traded is in his final year and he under performs while the Rangers don't win the cup. At that time, if there is still a need for offense from the blue line on the right side as Torts says there is now, and Faulk proves himself at the NHL level, then and only then can I see a Staal for Faulk deal.

Skinner might as well be considered a franchise corner stone for Carolina, players like him aren't available without extenuating circumstances.

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The only way I see Staal traded is in his final year and he under performs while the Rangers don't win the cup. At that time, if there is still a need for offense from the blue line on the right side as Torts says there is now, and Faulk proves himself at the NHL level, then and only then can I see a Staal for Faulk deal.
This hits it right on the head.

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12-04-2012, 12:31 AM
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staal is still better than mcd and lol girardi isnt on the same planet as those two when it comes to skill
Dan Girardi was the Rangers best D man last season. He would compete for the top pair on almost every team in the NHL. He gets little to no PP time, but thats not his role. He shuts his lane down.


If Carolina inquires about Marc Slats asks for Skinner

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It's funny how fans of the Carolina ****ing Hurricanes are saying "We'll get him when he's a free agent."

Seriously? Just because he has siblings means that he wants to throw away his best chance at a Cup.

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It's funny how fans of the Carolina ****ing Hurricanes are saying "We'll get him when he's a free agent."

Seriously? Just because he has siblings means that he wants to throw away his best chance at a Cup.
Your post is funny for two reasons:

1. More often than not, it's not the Canes fans that are saying they'll get Marc in FA. It's the fans of other teams wonder why Carolina simply doesn't wait for Marc to hit FA.

2. You clearly haven't followed Carolina well if you believe coming here is throwing away a chance at a Cup.

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Your post is funny for two reasons:

1. More often than not, it's not the Canes fans that are saying they'll get Marc in FA. It's the fans of other teams wonder why Carolina simply doesn't wait for Marc to hit FA.

2. You clearly haven't followed Carolina well if you believe coming here is throwing away a chance at a Cup.
Okay, I'll give you the #1. But with #2, I never said that.

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Your post is funny for two reasons:

1. More often than not, it's not the Canes fans that are saying they'll get Marc in FA. It's the fans of other teams wonder why Carolina simply doesn't wait for Marc to hit FA.
Yep. It's pretty much the same fans who still don't get why we gave up assets for Jordan when it was proven that both the Rangers and Maple Leafs wanted to trade for him too.

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Yep. It's pretty much the same fans who still don't get why we gave up assets for Jordan when it was proven that both the Rangers and Maple Leafs wanted to trade for him too.
When was it proven that the Maple Leafs were in on Jordan? I heard JR/ Shero say that the Rangers were also in on a deal, but I don't recall the Leafs.

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When was it proven that the Maple Leafs were in on Jordan? I heard JR/ Shero say that the Rangers were also in on a deal, but I don't recall the Leafs.
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"It's not tampering to talk about a player that just moved," said Burke after the 2012 NHL Draft was completed in Pittsburgh on Saturday. "We were in on that trade. Obviously, the price they fetched was higher than this team was willing to pay."

The Pittsburgh Penguins traded Staal for center Brandon Sutter and defenseman Brian Dumoulin and Carolina's No. 8 pick in the draft, selecting defenseman Derrick Pouliot on Friday night.
"Good for both teams," said Burke.

There is, of course, another factor in the Toronto Maple Leafs not having the assets to land Jordan Staal.

"We didn't have a brother named Staal," said Burke of Hurricanes captain Eric Staal.
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Pittsburgh got bent over in the staal deal..
the same will happen to the rangers down the road.

It's pretty obvious Carolina has the assets to win a cup, and equally obvious that all FOUR brothers like being close to eachother.

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